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		<title>Answer to the acid-base question from 2 days ago</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To restate: &#160; 35-year-old man admitted for worsening ascites. We know the patient because he had just left AMA 3 days before. &#160;He had HIV with a low CD4 and did not take any anti-retrovirals. &#160;He also had hep C cirrhosis with encephalopathy and worsening ascites. &#160;He did take spironolactone and lactulose and the lactulose [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>To restate:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>35-year-old man admitted for worsening ascites. We know the patient because he had just left AMA 3 days before. &nbsp;He had HIV with a low CD4 and did not take any anti-retrovirals. &nbsp;He also had hep C cirrhosis with encephalopathy and worsening ascites. &nbsp;He did take spironolactone and lactulose and the lactulose was causing diarrhea.</p>
<p>We go to the ED and find these labs:</p>
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<tr>
<td>135</td>
<td>112</td>
<td>12</td>
<td>93</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>3.8</td>
<td>16</td>
<td>0.8</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Of course we need an ABG on room air</p>
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<tr>
<td>pH</td>
<td>7.45</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>pCO<sub>2</sub></td>
<td>27</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>pO<sub>2</sub></td>
<td>63</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>calc HCO<font size="1">3</font></td>
<td>18</td>
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</tbody>
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<p>Interpretation:</p>
<p>The patient had respiratory alkalosis, likely secondary to hepato-pulmonary syndrome.</p>
<p>I find this quote on compensation:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Studies have shown an average 5 mmol/l decrease in [HCO3-] per 10mmHg decrease in pCO2 from the reference value of 40mmHg. This maximal response takes 2 to 3 days to reach.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This compensation seems appropriate. &nbsp;Therefore a chronic respiratory alkalosis.</p>
<p>At morning report we had 3 guesses for normal gap acidosis. &nbsp;The guesses included:</p>
<ol>
<li>Type IV RTA secondary to spironolactone &#8211; the hyperkalemia always comes first, as the hyperkalemia leads to the decrease in NH<sub>3</sub> production</li>
<li>Diarrhea &#8211; the diarrhea must be a large volume. &nbsp;Decreased GFR can make this more likely, but he did not have that. &nbsp;Finally, his diarrhea would not be basic as he was taking lactulose which acidifies the stool</li>
<li>Distal RTA secondary to liver disease &#8211; I had not heard of that, so I looked up causes of distal RTA</li>
</ol>
<blockquote>
<p><strong>Type I RTA is caused by a variety of conditions, including:<br />
		</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<ol>
<li>Amyloidosis</li>
<li>Fabry disease</li>
<li>Sickle cell disease</li>
<li>Sjogren syndrome</li>
<li>Systemic lupus erythematosus</li>
<li>Wilson disease</li>
<li>Use of certain drugs such as amphotericin B, lithium, and analgesics</li>
</ol>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>To repeat a mantra &#8211; you should not assume a normal gap acidosis from the electrolyte panel (you can assume an increased anion gap acidosis). &nbsp;Similarly when you see an elevated bicarbonate and the clinical situation does not fit metabolic alkalosis, you should think of the possibility of compensation for chronic respiratory acidosis.</p>
<p>I suspected respiratory alkalosis in this case because none of the potential causes of normal gap metabolic acidosis made sense.<br />
	&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>An acid-base question</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rcentor</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>35-year-old man admitted for worsening ascites. We know the patient because he had just left AMA 3 days before. &nbsp;He had HIV with a low CD4 and did not take any anti-retrovirals. &nbsp;He also had hep C cirrhosis with encephalopathy and worsening ascites. &nbsp;He did take spironolactone and lactulose and the lactulose was causing diarrhea.</p>
<p>We go to the ED and find these labs:</p>
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<td>135</td>
<td>112</td>
<td>12</td>
<td>93</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>3.8</td>
<td>16</td>
<td>0.8</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I ask the team why the bicarbonate is low. &nbsp;I presented this a morning report also and asked students, housestaff and applicants!</p>
<p>I looked at the old labs and this bicarbonate level was present on the previous admission and had remained stable. &nbsp;What do you think?</p>
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		<title>VA Dec 2011 – day #3 – my thoughts on the acid-base problem</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rcentor</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Acid-Base & Lytes]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; 50 something patient with combination of restrictive and obstructive disease. &#160;This electrolyte panel caught everyone&#39;s attention. 139 91 25 3.0 42 1.2 ABG pH 7.45 pCO2 59 pO2 59 Bicarb 41 What likely happened to this patient? &#160;What do you want to do now? An elevated bicarbonate suggests two possibilities &#8211; metabolic alkalosis or [...]]]></description>
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<div>
<p><em>50 something patient with combination of restrictive and obstructive disease. &nbsp;This electrolyte panel caught everyone&#39;s attention.</em></p>
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<tbody>
<tr>
<td><em>139</em></td>
<td><em>91</em></td>
<td><em>25</em></td>
<td><em><br />
					</em></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><em>3.0</em></td>
<td><em>42</em></td>
<td><em>1.2</em></td>
<td><em><br />
					</em></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
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<p><em>ABG</em></p>
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<td>
<p><em>pH</em></p>
</td>
<td><em>7.45</em></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><em>pCO<sub>2</sub></em></td>
<td><em>59</em></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><em>pO<sub>2</sub></em></td>
<td><em>59</em></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><em>Bicarb</em></td>
<td><em>41</em></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
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<p><em>What likely happened to this patient? &nbsp;What do you want to do now?</em></p>
<p>An elevated bicarbonate suggests two possibilities &#8211; metabolic alkalosis or compensation for a respiratory acidosis. &nbsp;Given the level of the pCO<sub>2</sub>, we can assume that the respiratory acidosis is a primary disorder. &nbsp;If we assume a primary respiratory acidosis, then we must impute a metabolic alkalosis.</p>
<p>Metabolic alkalosis occurs either through loss of bicarbonate and volume (vomiting or diuretic use) or a mineralocorticoid excess.</p>
<p>These numbers seem to occur most often when chronic lung patients have over diuresis.</p>
<p>We gave the patient IV saline and then the lab values showed:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<tr>
<td>141</td>
<td>97</td>
<td>25</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>6.0</td>
<td>33</td>
<td>1.3</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
</tr>
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<p>ABG</p>
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<tbody>
<tr>
<td>
<p>pH</p>
</td>
<td>7.33</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>pCO<sub>2</sub></td>
<td>60</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>pO<sub>2</sub></td>
<td>68</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Bicarb</td>
<td>31</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
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<p>The following day the patient had this BMP</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<td>141</td>
<td>98</td>
<td>19</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>3.8</td>
<td>37</td>
<td>0.9</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>We suspect that the potassium increased secondary to the acidosis. &nbsp;It resolved without treatment.</p>
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		<title>VA Dec 2011 – day #2 – an acid-base problem</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/6603</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rcentor</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Acid-Base & Lytes]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[50 something patient with combination of restrictive and obstructive disease. &#160;This electrolyte panel caught everyone&#39;s attention. 139 91 25 &#160; 3.0 42 1.2 &#160; ABG pH 7.45 pCO2 59 pO2 59 Bicarb 41 What likely happened to this patient? &#160;What do you want to do now?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>50 something patient with combination of restrictive and obstructive disease. &nbsp;This electrolyte panel caught everyone&#39;s attention.</p>
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<tbody>
<tr>
<td>139</td>
<td>91</td>
<td>25</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>3.0</td>
<td>42</td>
<td>1.2</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>ABG</p>
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<tbody>
<tr>
<td>
<p>pH</p>
</td>
<td>7.45</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>pCO<sub>2</sub></td>
<td>59</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>pO<sub>2</sub></td>
<td>59</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Bicarb</td>
<td>41</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>What likely happened to this patient? &nbsp;What do you want to do now?</p>
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		<title>November acid-base &#8211; final thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; 50 something woman admitted for nausea and recurrent vomiting and right flank pain. &#160;She denies hematemesis or melena. &#160;She smokes 1 pack per day and drinks 8-9 beers per day. &#160;She is thin, weighing around 54 kg. Labs are drawn, and the patient is admitted. 125 73 15 49 2.8 8 0.6 Your job [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>50 something woman admitted for nausea and recurrent vomiting and right flank pain. &nbsp;She denies hematemesis or melena. &nbsp;She smokes 1 pack per day and drinks 8-9 beers per day. &nbsp;She is thin, weighing around 54 kg.</em></p>
<p><em>Labs are drawn, and the patient is admitted.</em></p>
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<tr>
<td><em>125</em></td>
<td><em>73</em></td>
<td><em>15</em></td>
<td><em>49</em></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><em>2.8</em></td>
<td><em>8</em></td>
<td><em>0.6</em></td>
<td><em><br />
				</em></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
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<p><em>Your job is to identify all the abnormalities in this panel, and suggest the sequence of events most likely to result in these numbers. &nbsp;What other information do you want? &nbsp;</em></p>
<p><em>This patient was presented at morning report. &nbsp;I omitted her pulse of 131 and BP of 110/70 (orthostatics not checked)</em></p>
<p><em>My analysis at this point:</em></p>
<ol>
<li><em>Hyponatremia &#8211; need urine osms to distinguish between beer potomania and ADH release from volume contraction. &nbsp;I suspected that both causes were involved. &nbsp;This degree of hyponatremia bears attention, but is not dangerous.</em></li>
<li><em>Increased anion gap acidosis &#8211; give the huge (44) anion gap I knew that the patient also had a metabolic alkalosis. &nbsp;Since I recognized the clinical situation (having seen it many times) I strongly suspected a combination of lactic acidosis and ketoacidosis. &nbsp;This could represent alcoholic ketoacidosis and/or starvation ketosis. &nbsp;Regardless, the patient needs volume and glucose (obviously with thiamine).</em></li>
<li><em>Metabolic alkalosis &#8211; virtually all anion gaps above 40 imply metabolic alkalosis. &nbsp;When you do the delta gap in this patient, you find a delta of approximately 32. &nbsp;Adding that to 8 (the observed bicarbonate) suggests an underlying bicarbonate of 40. &nbsp;The hypokalemia supports a metabolic alkalosis from vomiting.</em></li>
<li><em>The BUN/creatinine ratio supports volume contraction.</em></li>
<li><em>The glucose is a bit low, but I did not consider that an important problem.</em></li>
</ol>
<p><em>I would have given this patient D5/NS + 20 mEq/L and run at around 200 cc/hr. &nbsp;</em></p>
<p><em>Several hours later they obtained another electrolyte panel and an ABG. &nbsp;I predicted several more important considerations after seeing these numbers and considering the clinical context. &nbsp;His serum osms showed no osm gap. &nbsp;His urine osms were 300. &nbsp;His lactic acid level was elevated and his urine had positive ketones.</em></p>
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<tbody>
<tr>
<td><em>126</em></td>
<td><em>82</em></td>
<td><em>16</em></td>
<td><em>127</em></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><em>2.3</em></td>
<td><em>11</em></td>
<td><em>0.6</em></td>
<td><em><br />
				</em></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p><em><br />
	</em></p>
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<tbody>
<tr>
<td><em>pH</em></td>
<td><em>7.39</em></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><em>pCO2</em></td>
<td><em>19</em></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><em>pO2</em></td>
<td><em>88</em></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><em>HCO3</em></td>
<td><em>12</em></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p><em>Now further thoughts if you are the hospitalist caring for this patient. &nbsp;What other tests do you need?</em></p>
<div>This patient likely had a combination of beer potomania and volume contraction. &nbsp;Her sodium was low, but not in the danger zone.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I predicted both magnesium and phosphate deficiency, and in fact, she had both. &nbsp;She represents a classic alcoholic presentation. &nbsp;When you care for alcoholics who eat sparingly (if at all) you must anticipate hypophosphatemia. &nbsp;These patients have a form of refeeding syndrome, exacerbated by providing glucose in the IV fluids.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I wrote about this 2 years ago and I reproduce my discussion here:</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>
<p style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1.571em; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); ">Why do patients develop acute hypophosphatemia?&nbsp; Generally it occurs due to total body phosphate depletion and then refeeding.&nbsp; We get refeeding either provide glucose that has been missing &ndash; alcoholics, anorexics, severe malnutrition for other reasons &ndash; or insulin that has been missing &ndash; DKA.&nbsp; Once the patient again has both glucose and insulin, the liver phosphorylates, using large amounts of phosphate.</p>
<p style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1.571em; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); ">So who cares?&nbsp; Am I just being an electrolyte geek?</p>
<p style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1.571em; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); ">Once the phosphate goes below 1.0, the patient enters a serious risk due to insufficient ATP.&nbsp; We label this&nbsp;<strong style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><em style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">severe hypophosphatemia</em></strong></p>
<p style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1.571em; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); ">5 major concerns in severe hypophosphatemia</p>
<ol style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1.571em; margin-left: 1.571em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); ">
<li style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">CNS depression or seizures</li>
<li style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cardiac arrhythmias</li>
<li style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Respiratory failure second to muscle weakness</li>
<li style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Rhabdomyolysis</li>
<li style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hemolysis</li>
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<p style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1.571em; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); ">The article gives more good information &ndash;&nbsp;<a href="http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/767955-overview" style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(35, 97, 161); outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">Hypophosphatemia</a>.</p>
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		<title>November acid-base part 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; 50 something woman admitted for nausea and recurrent vomiting and right flank pain. &#160;She denies hematemesis or melena. &#160;She smokes 1 pack per day and drinks 8-9 beers per day. &#160;She is thin, weighing around 54 kg. Labs are drawn, and the patient is admitted. 125 73 15 49 2.8 8 0.6 &#160; Your [...]]]></description>
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<p>50 something woman admitted for nausea and recurrent vomiting and right flank pain. &nbsp;She denies hematemesis or melena. &nbsp;She smokes 1 pack per day and drinks 8-9 beers per day. &nbsp;She is thin, weighing around 54 kg.</p>
<p>Labs are drawn, and the patient is admitted.</p>
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<td>125</td>
<td>73</td>
<td>15</td>
<td>49</td>
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<td>2.8</td>
<td>8</td>
<td>0.6</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
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<p>Your job is to identify all the abnormalities in this panel, and suggest the sequence of events most likely to result in these numbers. &nbsp;What other information do you want? &nbsp;</p>
<p>This patient was presented at morning report. &nbsp;I omitted her pulse of 131 and BP of 110/70 (orthostatics not checked)</p>
<p>My analysis at this point:</p>
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<li>Hyponatremia &#8211; need urine osms to distinguish between beer potomania and ADH release from volume contraction. &nbsp;I suspected that both causes were involved. &nbsp;This degree of hyponatremia bears attention, but is not dangerous.</li>
<li>Increased anion gap acidosis &#8211; give the huge (44) anion gap I knew that the patient also had a metabolic alkalosis. &nbsp;Since I recognized the clinical situation (having seen it many times) I strongly suspected a combination of lactic acidosis and ketoacidosis. &nbsp;This could represent alcoholic ketoacidosis and/or starvation ketosis. &nbsp;Regardless, the patient needs volume and glucose (obviously with thiamine).</li>
<li>Metabolic alkalosis &#8211; virtually all anion gaps above 40 imply metabolic alkalosis. &nbsp;When you do the delta gap in this patient, you find a delta of approximately 32. &nbsp;Adding that to 8 (the observed bicarbonate) suggests an underlying bicarbonate of 40. &nbsp;The hypokalemia supports a metabolic alkalosis from vomiting.</li>
<li>The BUN/creatinine ratio supports volume contraction.</li>
<li>The glucose is a bit low, but I did not consider that an important problem.</li>
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<p>I would have given this patient D5/NS + 20 mEq/L and run at around 200 cc/hr. &nbsp;</p>
<p>Several hours later they obtained another electrolyte panel and an ABG. &nbsp;I predicted several more important considerations after seeing these numbers and considering the clinical context. &nbsp;His serum osms showed no osm gap. &nbsp;His urine osms were 300. &nbsp;His lactic acid level was elevated and his urine had positive ketones.</p>
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<td>126</td>
<td>82</td>
<td>16</td>
<td>127</td>
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<td>2.3</td>
<td>11</td>
<td>0.6</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<td>pH</td>
<td>7.39</td>
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<td>pCO2</td>
<td>19</td>
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<td>pO2</td>
<td>88</td>
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<td>HCO3</td>
<td>12</td>
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<p>Now further thoughts if you are the hospitalist caring for this patient. &nbsp;What other tests do you need?</p>
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		<title>November acid base electrolyte quiz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 23:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>50 something woman admitted for nausea and recurrent vomiting and right flank pain. &nbsp;She denies hematemesis or melena. &nbsp;She smokes 1 pack per day and drinks 8-9 beers per day. &nbsp;She is thin, weighing around 54 kg.</p>
<p>Labs are drawn, and the patient is admitted.</p>
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<td>125</td>
<td>73</td>
<td>15</td>
<td>49</td>
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<td>2.8</td>
<td>8</td>
<td>0.6</td>
<td>&nbsp;</td>
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<p>Your job is to identify all the abnormalities in this panel, and suggest the sequence of events most likely to result in these numbers. &nbsp;What other information do you want? &nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Electrolyte disorders &#8211; need your opinion</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am giving a talk at the ACP meeting this coming year on dangerous electrolyte disorders. &#160;Please vote on which disorders I should emphasize. My current plans include: Hyponatremia Hypophosphatemia Hypercalcemia but I am still considering Hypokalemia Hyperkalemia Hypomagnesemia &#160; I need your help &#8211; what disorders would interest you most?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>I am giving a talk at the ACP meeting this coming year on dangerous electrolyte disorders. &nbsp;Please vote on which disorders I should emphasize.</p>
<p>My current plans include:</p>
<p>Hyponatremia</p>
<p>Hypophosphatemia</p>
<p>Hypercalcemia</p>
<p>but I am still considering</p>
<p>Hypokalemia</p>
<p>Hyperkalemia</p>
<p>Hypomagnesemia</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I need your help &#8211; what disorders would interest you most?</p>
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		<title>Metabolic disarray &#8211; understanding and treating the hyponatremia</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 11:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now obviously this is my opinion, and other may differ. We have an alcohol abusing woman who presented with a Na of 110 mEq/L and depressed mental status. &#160;She awoke as saline increased her sodium quickly to 120 mEq/L. &#160;This occurred because her urine osms of 150. This patient admitted to a beer diet. &#160;Her [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Now obviously this is my opinion, and other may differ.</p>
<p>We have an alcohol abusing woman who presented with a Na of 110 mEq/L and depressed mental status. &nbsp;She awoke as saline increased her sodium quickly to 120 mEq/L. &nbsp;This occurred because her urine osms of 150.</p>
<p>This patient admitted to a beer diet. &nbsp;Her history fit beer potomania. &nbsp;Normally the urine osms in beer potomania are less than 100, but she also presented with volume contraction from vomiting. &nbsp;I suspect that she had some ADH from the volume contraction.</p>
<p>Given her dilute urine and underlying alcohol abuse, we worried that she had a predisposition for central pontine demyelination or an extra pontine demyelination syndrome. &nbsp;Therefore the resident made the bold and correct decision to give vasopressin. &nbsp;The idea behind giving vasopressin in this situation follows from an understanding of the true problem. &nbsp;This patient would correct her sodium too quickly because she would excrete too much free water. &nbsp;Therefore, the vasopressin would prevent the free water excretion and slow the sodium rise.</p>
<p>The vasopressin worked and the patient&#39;s sodium rose at a slow and desirable pace.</p>
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		<title>Metabolic disarray &#8211; more information</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To recap: &#160; 47-year-old woman found stuporous and hypotensive. &#160;She has known alcohol abuse and decreased LVEF around 30%. &#160; Her labs come back, and you should provide plausible reconstructions of these results. Fluid Balance Panel&#160; 110 59 38 73 3.2 30 2.2 8.0 Arterial Blood Gas on 2L nasal oxygen pH 7.57 pCO2 31 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>To recap:</p>
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<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">47-year-old woman found stuporous and hypotensive. &nbsp;She has known alcohol abuse and decreased LVEF around 30%. &nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">Her labs come back, and you should provide plausible reconstructions of these results.</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; "><br />
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<caption><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">Fluid Balance Panel&nbsp;</span></caption>
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<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">110</span></td>
<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">59</span></td>
<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">38</span></td>
<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">73</span></td>
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<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">3.2</span></td>
<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">30</span></td>
<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">2.2</span></td>
<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">8.0</span></td>
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<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; "><br />
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<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">Arterial Blood Gas on 2L nasal oxygen</span></p>
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<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">pH</span></td>
<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">7.57</span></td>
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<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">pCO<sub>2</sub></span></td>
<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">31</span></td>
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<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">pO<sub>2</sub></span></td>
<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">99</span></td>
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<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">c HCO<sub>3</sub></span></td>
<td><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">29</span></td>
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<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">What do you think her acid-base diagnosis is? &nbsp;What additional information do you want (history, physical and/or labs)?</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">=======</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">New information:</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">The ER gave 3000 cc of NS (plus a banana bag). &nbsp;Her BP slowly increased.</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">Her sodium increased from 110 to 120 over 6 hours. &nbsp;You get back her serum osm &#8211; 240 and her urine osm &#8211; 150.</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">Her lactic acid level confirms a mild lactic acidosis which quickly resolves. &nbsp;In fact she did have a triple acid base abnormality as toronto internist deduced. &nbsp;Her anion gap was 21, thus her bicarb of 30 was artificially low because of the increased anion gap.</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">Her proBNP was in the low 400s.</span></p>
<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; font-size: medium; ">Now the problem is what caused the hyponatremia, and how do you treat her now?</span></p>
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