On whole body CT scans

by rcentor on September 26, 2002

Read this well written column – Unnecessary Tests . The author defines the problem clearly. I personally do not understand the radiology community on this one (and maybe some radiology readers will comment). They are pushing (yes the are advertising these tests) technology which has no proof of efficacy. They generally get cash for these tests, and if they find something abnormal, refer the patient back to his/her generalist. Does anyone know what is going on here?

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dave4761 September 26, 2002 at 11:46 am

As a radiologist I would like to comment. The mainstream radiologic community is in agreement with you on this one and the ACR has issued a formal statement not recommending these scans. That said, let’s look at the reality of why many groups, including my own are offering these.

In many large cities, the competition for imaging services is intense. In some places, the prices are being driven so low, that the reimbursed costs don’t cover the costs of the procedures.

Mainstream radiology groups are generally those groups with one or more major hospital contracts, who may also have outpatient imaging centers as well, sometimes alone and sometimes in conjunction with the hospitals that they contract with. We are under seige by individual imaging companies who may have no ties to a region and come in to a specific market and open up just to steal away outpatient business. They are only open during regular hours, never at night or on weekends and generally provide no consultative services to the local clinicians. The radiologists reading their studies may be on site but are often hundreds if not thousands of miles away, reading the studies by teleradiology.
When these outfits enter a market, they offer only those studies with decent reimbursements. You’ll never see an outside company come in and offer mammography services, let’s say. Just doesn’t pay and not worth the risk.
They offer these total body scans. If an irregularity is seen generally they do the followup diagnostic studies. Once a patient has utilized their services they are more than likely to go back if they need additional imaging. This results in the mainstream groups losing their better reimbursed studies and patients.

The result is these groups are providing 24 hour coverage and watch their patient profiles suddently shift to higher percentage of medicare, medicaid, and no pays, typically through the emergency room.Trust me, this has happened to my former group. Before you know it, you’re working like a dog, with very complicated and time intensive work, with little or no revenue and high litigation risk, while your better paying patients are being seen elsewhere. As all physicians know, in order for a practice to function well, you need a share of all kinds of patients. Better reimbursed patients allow you to provide care to those who can’t or dont’t.

So the bottom line, is to stay in business, you have to compete. And as these outside outfits offer these scans mainly to attract patients, we are forced to do the same to try and maintain our already existing patients as well as our patient mix.

And if you think, that these forces are not for real, let me state that my last group was forced to call it quits after providing continuous service to our hospital for over 75 years, because such intense competition coupled with rising expenses, particularly billing and rising malpractice premiums reduced our compensation to virtually nothing. Now, I’m all for not getting paid too much for not doing too much work. But we were working an average workload about 35-60% above the annual recommended radiologist case load, with frequent and horrible call nights and weekends, and tremendous “no pay” hospital responsibilities, for example, departmental management and tremendous hospital committee responsibilities. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I’m not proud to say it, but you either sink or swim.

db September 26, 2002 at 9:35 pm

Well stated. Your comments do add a great deal to the understanding of this topic!!

Alain Jourdier September 26, 2002 at 11:57 pm

I have been a healthcare marketer for over 17 years and there is a simple reason for the marketing of these tests: MONEY! The current model in healthcare is such that few rarely care about the efficacy or morality of what we are doing anymore, it’s the reimbursement game, baby, it’s working the system…it’s the bucks that matter, not patient care. To paraphrase Janis Joplin, “Healthcare’s just another word for nothing left to lose.” The more the medical establishment doesn’t police itself, the more such issues will continue to face us and the more we will prey upon the public’s unfounded fears and unrealistic hopes that we can fix every damn thing that goes naturally wrong.

John Anderson September 27, 2002 at 9:41 am

From the article: “Fact: No manufacturer of CT scanners has submitted any data to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration that would support the claims for safety and efficacy of whole-body scans.”

So if such claims are advertised, the FDA can be pushed into killing at least the ads, with penalties.

The only other thing I can think of is educating the patients, but how to do it is beyond me: perhaps leaving reprints of such articles in the waiting room, as placing abuse hotline numbers in the rest rooms?

db September 27, 2002 at 9:48 am

Great comments. The author wrote a great article. I hope the situation bothers the readers. I appreciate the comments and agree entirely. This is an undesirable trend.

doccarrie September 12, 2003 at 7:10 am

Remember the executive physical? It took a long time to geet it right. This is one place where having assets to allocate is not a benefit.

An interesting topic and a disappointing, but not surprising response from the radiologist and the salesman. I am a radiologist.

I think it would be easy to make up a small bochure (on your computer) addressing such things as radiation dose v. odds of finding anything. On the need for a total body v. a limited, directed scan.

You provide these brocures to your referrals for their patients and put them in your waiting room, give talks at school, social and other groups where you hand them out. You are the expert; you control the field.

Even the blind chicken finds the corn. Occansionally, an early problem is found, and a very happy paitent tells everyone how a life was saved. But in the brochure you point out how many false positives lead to risky and possibly expensive further testing.

This is where you come in. Second reading on the study, and as the expert, recommend how to evaluate it efficiently. Whatever you do, at this time, be gracious; no badmouthing the competition, be the consummate professional. This is the word that will get out. It’s so cool to look good.

When you do your own CTs, do you really limit it yourself, or do you just do cuts because they’re all in the same body part, hmmm? Who’s calling the kettle black?

C.

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