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	<title>Comments on: Performance indicators need testing</title>
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		<title>By: justsomedoc</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that performance indicators are chosen because they are easy to measure, not because they truely indicate quality.

All they do is drive physicians to practice to meet numbers whether or not they make clinical sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that performance indicators are chosen because they are easy to measure, not because they truely indicate quality.</p>
<p>All they do is drive physicians to practice to meet numbers whether or not they make clinical sense.</p>
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		<title>By: PookieMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PookieMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DB, excellent rant! I have to agree with PCB though as well--many patients are much more complicated than the test population that is used to make conclusions and devlop guideines for care (like the A1-C controversy.)  The key is that P4P etc is based on a very narrow population and marker for disease--and lots of patients don&#039;t fit that population and the guidelines!  But right now, we as physicians are in a position of justifying why a patient was not treated exactly with in the guidelines--as you point out with the pneumonia-antibiotic unanticipated outcomes!  Keep &#039;em coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB, excellent rant! I have to agree with PCB though as well&#8211;many patients are much more complicated than the test population that is used to make conclusions and devlop guideines for care (like the A1-C controversy.)  The key is that P4P etc is based on a very narrow population and marker for disease&#8211;and lots of patients don&#8217;t fit that population and the guidelines!  But right now, we as physicians are in a position of justifying why a patient was not treated exactly with in the guidelines&#8211;as you point out with the pneumonia-antibiotic unanticipated outcomes!  Keep &#8216;em coming!</p>
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		<title>By: pcb</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>db,

it seems your rant is really about efficacy vs. effectiveness on one hand, and the ever changing world of medical knowledge on the other.

Of course medical knowledge changes, as you point out with beta blockers, estrogen, etc.  that doesn&#039;t say much about whether p4p guidelines are good or not, it just says they need to be flexible and able to change with our knowledge.

The efficacy vs. effectiveness argument is  more compelling and gets to the heart of the matter.  Are carefully controlled trials in selected populations a sound foundation for designing guidelines applied to the population as a whole?  How much do we trust a trials&#039; design and results, especially when sponsored?  Were unintended consequences properly considered?  How important is the clinical benefit in the trial?   How does my patient differ from those studied in the trial?  How do I include patient preferences and values in the discussion?  What do I prioritize if there are several guidelines to consider?  

These are complex decisons to be made at the individual patient level.  There may be algorithm basesd guidelines for diseases, but there are none for patients, which is why it&#039;s called the art of medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>db,</p>
<p>it seems your rant is really about efficacy vs. effectiveness on one hand, and the ever changing world of medical knowledge on the other.</p>
<p>Of course medical knowledge changes, as you point out with beta blockers, estrogen, etc.  that doesn&#8217;t say much about whether p4p guidelines are good or not, it just says they need to be flexible and able to change with our knowledge.</p>
<p>The efficacy vs. effectiveness argument is  more compelling and gets to the heart of the matter.  Are carefully controlled trials in selected populations a sound foundation for designing guidelines applied to the population as a whole?  How much do we trust a trials&#8217; design and results, especially when sponsored?  Were unintended consequences properly considered?  How important is the clinical benefit in the trial?   How does my patient differ from those studied in the trial?  How do I include patient preferences and values in the discussion?  What do I prioritize if there are several guidelines to consider?  </p>
<p>These are complex decisons to be made at the individual patient level.  There may be algorithm basesd guidelines for diseases, but there are none for patients, which is why it&#8217;s called the art of medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: clarification</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/4915/comment-page-1#comment-529387</link>
		<dc:creator>clarification</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean the _use_ of performance indicators needs testing, right?  Especially their &quot;high-stakes&quot; use.

The indicators themselves have no impact on patient care.  It&#039;s their use that has an impact.  Clearer language produces clearer thoughts.

On this whole 4-hour antibiotic timing thing, the published literature don&#039;t paint a clear picture of effects on patient care, for better or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean the _use_ of performance indicators needs testing, right?  Especially their &#8220;high-stakes&#8221; use.</p>
<p>The indicators themselves have no impact on patient care.  It&#8217;s their use that has an impact.  Clearer language produces clearer thoughts.</p>
<p>On this whole 4-hour antibiotic timing thing, the published literature don&#8217;t paint a clear picture of effects on patient care, for better or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Performance indicators need testing &#124; HEALTH INFO CENTER</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/4915/comment-page-1#comment-529385</link>
		<dc:creator>Performance indicators need testing &#124; HEALTH INFO CENTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Readers know my doubt connected with opening indicators. My doubt turns to enmity when opening indicators have been used for P4P or inform cards. Why am you so skeptic? That is the concentration of this rant. We cannot proceed regulating the brand new drug until which drug has shown efficacy. We need endless contrast for both efficiency as well as risks. Performance indicators have been prescribed treatments. Yet you have no order which promoters of opening indicators exam their indicators before to insi Blog Source [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Readers know my doubt connected with opening indicators. My doubt turns to enmity when opening indicators have been used for P4P or inform cards. Why am you so skeptic? That is the concentration of this rant. We cannot proceed regulating the brand new drug until which drug has shown efficacy. We need endless contrast for both efficiency as well as risks. Performance indicators have been prescribed treatments. Yet you have no order which promoters of opening indicators exam their indicators before to insi Blog Source [...]</p>
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