More thoughts on work hours

25 May
2009

 

I received a critical comment this week about my nap post.  The author talked about a different issue than I did.  Over my blogging history, I often see comments that miss my point – probably I am not clear enough in my postings.

Here is the problem  The sleep police only talk about sleep deprivation – and ignore all the consequences.  They advocate rigid rules – and yet have not evidence that the rules are improving physician training.

We are currently preparing for 16 hour shifts.  We do believe that 16 hour shifts are more desirable than our current system.  However, we also believe in flexibility.  Interns and residents should not have to punch a time card.  If they need to stay a bit longer, and they decide, the program should not worry about a violation.

We also worry about the associated costs – both money and professionalism costs.  I was talking with a trauma surgeon recently and asked him about work hours.  After he finished laughing, we discussed the true dilemma.  Would I rather have him at 2 am – tired but experienced, or a general surgeon without specific trauma training.

I do believe that residency training has become more humane, but at some point education must suffer.  When residents work shift work, then we have difficulty developing an educational curriculum.  We have residents getting 4 days off each month and faculty members getting 0 days off during the same month.

Residency training is rigorous, because it matters.  We expect our physicians to have dedication to patient care.  We expect our physicians to go the extra mile (or hour) when necessary.

We desperately need some room for common sense.  We should reject rigid rules and rather apply general guidelines and common sense. 

But I suppose I will receive another comment telling my that sleep deprivation remains a problem.  I hope they read the entire rant and understand the sleep rules are not the only problem.

Program directors actually have a great amount of common sense.  Let them speak and design solutions to real problems.

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8 Responses to More thoughts on work hours

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solo dr

May 25th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

I trained prior to the shift limits for my first two years and then during the shift limits during my last year. Prior to shift limits, it was not unheard of to start at 5:30 am on one day and then go home the next day around 6:30 PM. After about 24 hours, the brain starts hurting and you go on autopilot to get through the rest of the day. Lots of caffeine and high carb foods to maintain the energy, along with increased water and protein intake for the aching muscles. The advantage of doing long shifts is that, once I completed residency, private practice was a lot easier overall. I saw and learned a lot in residency, with a strong background to enhance my private practice experience.
The shift limits did not effect me for call, in that they came into play during my third year, when call was only backup. First and second years were limited to call and time on the campus, I think to 16-24 hours. What ended up happening was third year residents and/or attendings would have to takeover care of the patients, do notes, checkup on labs from the on call resident. I don’t think the training suffered overall with the reduced hours, but in private practice, there are no limits to how long a doctor can work.
I typically work 70 hour weeks and am on call 24/7 in my solo practice, unless I take a formal vacation. My patients rarely call me after hours, but ERs/Nursing homes do call on the weekends and after hours. You learn to wake up and go back to sleep quickly to survive. The advantage of my private practice is that I have a futon in my office, where I can rest if needed. My inner drive to succeed was honed during residency, when I was able to set new standards for myself to succeed the long hours and dozens of patient admissions. Without the longer hours, I don’t think I would have the drive that I do in private practice. Now I can take breaks when needed and rest when needed throughout the day, with a lot fewer pages but a lot more patients than in residency.

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Jay

May 26th, 2009 at 9:00 am

Well, I can tell you the corporate world of medicine just loves these good old boy, ‘old school’ types who talk about personal sacrifice, and this essentially hazing mentality.
What better way to keep the status quo going?

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Dr. Grumpy

May 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

After 11 years in practice my workdays are still 12-14 hours at times, and when on call for the weekend at a local trauma hospital I will sometimes get 8-10 hours of interrupted sleep in a 63 hour weekend.

I agree that some degree of learning to handle sleep-deprivation is needed in training. This can be done within reason, and without jeopardizing safety and patient care.

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#1 Dinosaur

June 9th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

I haven’t seen anyone mention the role played by anxiety, as opposed to straight fatigue, in residency stress. Don’t you think the farther along in training you get, the better you are able to perform at any given level of fatigue? That said, I think I have a pretty workable solution to this dilemma.

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Bruno

June 10th, 2009 at 11:01 am

I don’t know where you are practising, but I disagree on certain points.

Here in India there the situation of residents are much worse.

They are forced to work even for 48 hours continously

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Bruno

June 10th, 2009 at 11:02 am

//Well, I can tell you the corporate world of medicine just loves these good old boy, ‘old school’ types who talk about personal sacrifice, and this essentially hazing mentality.
What better way to keep the status quo going?//

Well said :) :)

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Bruno

June 10th, 2009 at 11:09 am

//Residency training is rigorous, because it matters. //

Bull Shit

Residency Training is rigorous because we need to have lot of work done with few people and residents don’t question or agitate as their education is in your hands and so you can treat them as bonded labour

This is the reality

In those good old days, when doctors were treated as GOD, a mistake due to sleep deprivation / overwork was overlooked. Not in this era of litigation

When times change, we have to change

//Would I rather have him at 2 am – tired but experienced, or a general surgeon without specific trauma training.//

Now you have not specified the meaning for tired

And that changes the question

Do I want to be operated by a Trauma surgeon who is on Duty from Tuesday Morning 7 AM till Wednesday 2 PM and has to be on duty till Wednesday 6 PM

or

Do I want to be operated by a General Surgeon who has come to duty on Wednesday Morning 7 AM after a night Off

Your answer please

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Bruno

June 10th, 2009 at 11:10 am

//We have residents getting 4 days off each month and faculty members getting 0 days off during the same month.//

Where

Definitely not in India

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