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		<title>By: Thoughts on lobbying for HR 2350 &#124; DB&#8217;s Medical Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoughts on lobbying for HR 2350 &#124; DB&#8217;s Medical Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 10:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Primary care is dying in this country, and hopes of universal coverage depend on an adequate supply of family physicians, pediatricians and internists.&#160; I blogged about the New York Times coverage of&#160; last month - Finding enough primary care. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Primary care is dying in this country, and hopes of universal coverage depend on an adequate supply of family physicians, pediatricians and internists.&nbsp; I blogged about the New York Times coverage of&nbsp; last month &#8211; Finding enough primary care. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 11:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently, others have appeared to express understandable concern about the apparent endangerment of primary care doctors (PCPs) in the United States.  

This depletion exists both presently, as well as in the years to come due to a number of variables.  

Less than 20 percent of medical school graduates go for primary care as a specialty as a residency program today, it has been reported.  

In fact, this demonstration was just illustrated this year with medical students selecting their specialty.

Typically, the main reason believed for this shortage is lack of pay compared with other medical specialties.  

Some anticipate a shortage of 60 thousand or so PCPs in the future within the United States.  

Many of the PCP doctors who practice right now would not recommend their specialty, or even their profession, it has been reported.  

I believe the tremendous value as PCPs has not been acknowledged to others as it should, nor do I believe their income where it should be for what they do.

It is estimated that the U.S. needs presently tens of thousands more primary care physicians to fully satisfy the necessities of those members of the U.S.  health care needs, who are the citizens, now and in the future.  

Ironically, PCPs have been determined to be and likely are the backbone of the U.S. Health care system- they are specialists of everything medically.  

Yet if this is true, it is not reflected in many ways compared with their peers of other medical specialties.

For example, PCPs manage the many chronically ill patients who benefit the most from the much needed coordination and continuity of care that PCPs historically have strived to provide for them. 

Nearly half of the U.S. population has at least one chronic illness- with many of those having more than just one of these types of these illnesses.  

A good portion of these very ill patients have numerous illnesses which are chronic.  

The chronically ill are responsible for well over 50 percent of the entire Medicare budget, who are largely cared and treated by PCPs. 

The shortage of primary care physicians is possibly due to other variables as well- such as administrative hassles that are quite vexing for the physician vocation overall.  

In addition, the PCP continues to experience increasing patient loads that is complicated by the progressively increasing cost to provide care for their patients due to decreasing reimbursements from various organizations the doctors receive for the services they provide. 

For reasons such as this, it is believed that some PCPs are retiring early, or simply seeking an alternative career path.  

Those in medical school now seem to be aware of the demoralization of this profession.

As mentioned earlier, the PCP specialty is not desirable choice for a late stage medical student, so this is quite concerning to the public health in the United States.  

The number of medical school graduates entering family practice residencies has decreased by about half over the past decade or so, and this number continues to be progressive.  

PCPs also have extensive student loans from their training to complicate their rather excessive workloads as caregivers with decreased pay, so I can understand if they are a bit demoralized.

Despite the shortage of these doctors, primary care physicians do in fact care for the populations they serve and are dedicated to their welfare and restoration of their health- as difficult as it may be for them at times.  

Studies have shown that mortality rates would decrease due to increased patient outcomes if there were more PCPs to serve those in need of treatment. 

This specialty would also optimize preventative care more for their patients if allowed to do so.  

Studies have also shown that, if enough PCPs are practicing in a given geographical area, hospital admissions are decreased, as well as visits to emergency rooms.  

This is due to the needed continuity in health care these PCPs provide if numbered correctly to serve a given population of citizens.

In addition, PCP care has proven to improve the quality of care given to patients, as well as the outcomes for these patients as a result are more favorable.  

Most importantly, the overall quality of life for the PCP patients is much improved if there are enough PCPs.  

Presently, PCPs are obligated to handle the overwhelming load of responsibility they presently have due to this shortage of their specialty.  

The American College of Physicians believes that a patient- centered national health care workforce policy is needed to address these issues that would ideally be of most benefit for the public health.  

Policymakers should take this into serious consideration.

 “In nothing do men more nearly 
approach the Gods then in giving health to men.” --- Cicero
 
Dan Abshear</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, others have appeared to express understandable concern about the apparent endangerment of primary care doctors (PCPs) in the United States.  </p>
<p>This depletion exists both presently, as well as in the years to come due to a number of variables.  </p>
<p>Less than 20 percent of medical school graduates go for primary care as a specialty as a residency program today, it has been reported.  </p>
<p>In fact, this demonstration was just illustrated this year with medical students selecting their specialty.</p>
<p>Typically, the main reason believed for this shortage is lack of pay compared with other medical specialties.  </p>
<p>Some anticipate a shortage of 60 thousand or so PCPs in the future within the United States.  </p>
<p>Many of the PCP doctors who practice right now would not recommend their specialty, or even their profession, it has been reported.  </p>
<p>I believe the tremendous value as PCPs has not been acknowledged to others as it should, nor do I believe their income where it should be for what they do.</p>
<p>It is estimated that the U.S. needs presently tens of thousands more primary care physicians to fully satisfy the necessities of those members of the U.S.  health care needs, who are the citizens, now and in the future.  </p>
<p>Ironically, PCPs have been determined to be and likely are the backbone of the U.S. Health care system- they are specialists of everything medically.  </p>
<p>Yet if this is true, it is not reflected in many ways compared with their peers of other medical specialties.</p>
<p>For example, PCPs manage the many chronically ill patients who benefit the most from the much needed coordination and continuity of care that PCPs historically have strived to provide for them. </p>
<p>Nearly half of the U.S. population has at least one chronic illness- with many of those having more than just one of these types of these illnesses.  </p>
<p>A good portion of these very ill patients have numerous illnesses which are chronic.  </p>
<p>The chronically ill are responsible for well over 50 percent of the entire Medicare budget, who are largely cared and treated by PCPs. </p>
<p>The shortage of primary care physicians is possibly due to other variables as well- such as administrative hassles that are quite vexing for the physician vocation overall.  </p>
<p>In addition, the PCP continues to experience increasing patient loads that is complicated by the progressively increasing cost to provide care for their patients due to decreasing reimbursements from various organizations the doctors receive for the services they provide. </p>
<p>For reasons such as this, it is believed that some PCPs are retiring early, or simply seeking an alternative career path.  </p>
<p>Those in medical school now seem to be aware of the demoralization of this profession.</p>
<p>As mentioned earlier, the PCP specialty is not desirable choice for a late stage medical student, so this is quite concerning to the public health in the United States.  </p>
<p>The number of medical school graduates entering family practice residencies has decreased by about half over the past decade or so, and this number continues to be progressive.  </p>
<p>PCPs also have extensive student loans from their training to complicate their rather excessive workloads as caregivers with decreased pay, so I can understand if they are a bit demoralized.</p>
<p>Despite the shortage of these doctors, primary care physicians do in fact care for the populations they serve and are dedicated to their welfare and restoration of their health- as difficult as it may be for them at times.  </p>
<p>Studies have shown that mortality rates would decrease due to increased patient outcomes if there were more PCPs to serve those in need of treatment. </p>
<p>This specialty would also optimize preventative care more for their patients if allowed to do so.  </p>
<p>Studies have also shown that, if enough PCPs are practicing in a given geographical area, hospital admissions are decreased, as well as visits to emergency rooms.  </p>
<p>This is due to the needed continuity in health care these PCPs provide if numbered correctly to serve a given population of citizens.</p>
<p>In addition, PCP care has proven to improve the quality of care given to patients, as well as the outcomes for these patients as a result are more favorable.  </p>
<p>Most importantly, the overall quality of life for the PCP patients is much improved if there are enough PCPs.  </p>
<p>Presently, PCPs are obligated to handle the overwhelming load of responsibility they presently have due to this shortage of their specialty.  </p>
<p>The American College of Physicians believes that a patient- centered national health care workforce policy is needed to address these issues that would ideally be of most benefit for the public health.  </p>
<p>Policymakers should take this into serious consideration.</p>
<p> “In nothing do men more nearly<br />
approach the Gods then in giving health to men.” &#8212; Cicero</p>
<p>Dan Abshear</p>
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		<title>By: solo dr</title>
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		<dc:creator>solo dr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 18:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still see inpatients and outpatients.  I don&#039;t know why patients with acute MIs are admitted to me or with an PE, when the ER has already called the cardiologist or pulmonologist.  Under Medicare guidelines, I cannot bill the same diagnosis as the specialist.  Usually I end up managing the diabetes and all the paperwork, while the specialist gets to bill for hospital visits and procedures.  The more procedures, the happier the hospital is.  I get my $35-$50/day to see each inpatient, while the specialist pull hundreds to thousands per patient per day.  I highly enjoy the 6 or 7 pm calls for medical management of my post surgical patients,  The specialist just pulled in thousands for a knee replacement, and get my minimal visitation fee on what usually is a stable patient, but the nurses will call me with any medication questions, while the specialist sleeps the night away.  
In my community, some of the specialists are getting special discounts on malpractice insurance.  Orthopedic and neurosurgeon docs are paid extra by the hospitals, just to take ER call, while the rest of use get nothing from ER call but nonpaying and noncompliant patients.
As a whole, specialist seem to be the royalty of the medical staff, while the rest of us are treated like glorified residents.  Mind you, the primary care doctor often is the one doing the referrals to the specialist for procedures, such as knee replacements, back surgery, bypass, stents, etc.
Reportedly orthopedic physicians are asking for million dollar packages to come to my community, which include a large salary, paid tail coverage, paid malpractice insurance, and free office staff, paid for by the hospitals.  While primary care overhead continues to increase, specialists are getting some sweet deals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still see inpatients and outpatients.  I don&#8217;t know why patients with acute MIs are admitted to me or with an PE, when the ER has already called the cardiologist or pulmonologist.  Under Medicare guidelines, I cannot bill the same diagnosis as the specialist.  Usually I end up managing the diabetes and all the paperwork, while the specialist gets to bill for hospital visits and procedures.  The more procedures, the happier the hospital is.  I get my $35-$50/day to see each inpatient, while the specialist pull hundreds to thousands per patient per day.  I highly enjoy the 6 or 7 pm calls for medical management of my post surgical patients,  The specialist just pulled in thousands for a knee replacement, and get my minimal visitation fee on what usually is a stable patient, but the nurses will call me with any medication questions, while the specialist sleeps the night away.<br />
In my community, some of the specialists are getting special discounts on malpractice insurance.  Orthopedic and neurosurgeon docs are paid extra by the hospitals, just to take ER call, while the rest of use get nothing from ER call but nonpaying and noncompliant patients.<br />
As a whole, specialist seem to be the royalty of the medical staff, while the rest of us are treated like glorified residents.  Mind you, the primary care doctor often is the one doing the referrals to the specialist for procedures, such as knee replacements, back surgery, bypass, stents, etc.<br />
Reportedly orthopedic physicians are asking for million dollar packages to come to my community, which include a large salary, paid tail coverage, paid malpractice insurance, and free office staff, paid for by the hospitals.  While primary care overhead continues to increase, specialists are getting some sweet deals.</p>
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		<title>By: Frustrated Internist</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/4220/comment-page-1#comment-526339</link>
		<dc:creator>Frustrated Internist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a hospitalist and respect outpatient internists and family practitioners too much to consider myself as noble as them. But I am an internist and today, a pain management specialist paged me for a consult, I mean, comanagement, I mean, &quot;take care of all the paperwork under the guise of controlling her already under control chronic illnesses&quot;. I digress. When I answered the page, he asked if I was the hospitalist. I said I was and he said, &quot;Oh, well, sorry to be you&quot;. When I told him that I think this patient belonged to another group, he said &quot;Why don&#039;t you just figure that out and then you can call the other person.&quot;. What? Thanks for the disrespect, a-hole. My time is important too. I do have patients that I make medical decisions on, not just paperwork. I care less about the discrepency in pay then I do about the total lack of respect for what I do. Unfortunately, in America, money = respect. I am sick of being &quot;just the hospitalist.&quot; I am the person that saves the specialist&#039;s ass (with the exception of a select few) at 3 am, only to be dismissed in the light of day. We actually &quot;comanage&quot; on patients and the admitting specialist doesn&#039;t even round on them over weekends. Why are they getting paid a lump sum for the H&amp;P, discharge, daily visits, etc. all included in the price of surgery, when we are actually doing all of their paperwork? Why can&#039;t we charge them to be their scut-monkeys? Of course, they bring in the money so they are more valuable to the hospital admin and we will always lose. Just like the high school football team...Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a hospitalist and respect outpatient internists and family practitioners too much to consider myself as noble as them. But I am an internist and today, a pain management specialist paged me for a consult, I mean, comanagement, I mean, &#8220;take care of all the paperwork under the guise of controlling her already under control chronic illnesses&#8221;. I digress. When I answered the page, he asked if I was the hospitalist. I said I was and he said, &#8220;Oh, well, sorry to be you&#8221;. When I told him that I think this patient belonged to another group, he said &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you just figure that out and then you can call the other person.&#8221;. What? Thanks for the disrespect, a-hole. My time is important too. I do have patients that I make medical decisions on, not just paperwork. I care less about the discrepency in pay then I do about the total lack of respect for what I do. Unfortunately, in America, money = respect. I am sick of being &#8220;just the hospitalist.&#8221; I am the person that saves the specialist&#8217;s ass (with the exception of a select few) at 3 am, only to be dismissed in the light of day. We actually &#8220;comanage&#8221; on patients and the admitting specialist doesn&#8217;t even round on them over weekends. Why are they getting paid a lump sum for the H&amp;P, discharge, daily visits, etc. all included in the price of surgery, when we are actually doing all of their paperwork? Why can&#8217;t we charge them to be their scut-monkeys? Of course, they bring in the money so they are more valuable to the hospital admin and we will always lose. Just like the high school football team&#8230;Sad.</p>
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