This medical student thinks so – Enough whining about primary care
I’m not trying to present this as a comprehensive look at the data. But it is representative. I stand by my claim that the sum of the evidence favors the conclusion that medical students are largely not picking their specialty based on their debt load.
I have spent 30 years teaching medical students. I have advised them and counseled them. Most medical students will admit that money is a major factor in choosing a medical specialty, but not on a survey.
But the real problem is related to money, even though our idealistic student does not completely understand.
That’s certainly true for me. I came to medical school thinking I wanted to enter a field where I could work with my hands. But any thought of primary care died when I entered my clinical years in medical school. In my experience, I met only one happy primary care physician. If I were to listen to all the primary care physicians I know, or who I read in journals and online, I would think it was the apocalypse for primary care.
You must ask why primary care physicians are unhappy with primary care. The big problems are time and paperwork. They do not have enough time to spend with each patient, because of the financial structure of care. They have to spend too much time on paperwork, because of the financial structure of care.
Physicians generally like caring for patients (or they choose radiology, pathology or perhaps ER medicine.) They do not want to shortchange the time they spend with patients. Our financial structure has the greatest negative impact on primary care physicians.
Primary care physicians are the oppressed.
Disclaimer: I have done primary care and now only do hospital medicine. As I gave up my outpatient practice, the paperwork and time constraints were becoming onerous.
I teach primary care residents. They love their patients. They love medicine. But I know that many of them we reassess their career, because primary care physicians cannot practice they way they should or they way they desire.
I do not think I am whining. I look objectively at our health care system, and believe that more primary care physicians would improve the patient health. I ask how we should modify our system to encourage the growth of primary care. Money does matter. To think otherwise is unfortunately wrong.
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{ 7 comments… read them below or add one }
Medical students primarily choose the specialties because of the lure of the very large pay check, unfortunately. The desire to help people is not on the minds of these individuals. It is the desire to help themselves that drives theses students. They gain power and they gain the option of not having to take call through the ER. It is all very sad.
Adam, medical students (at least in our survey of over 1000 medical students from 11 schools published in JAMA) do not primarily choose specialities due to the lure of large paychecks. Few students today enroll in medical school knowing they want to be a radiologist or dermatologist. Most pre-meds know that if they want a huge paycheck, they should go to law school or business school.
What happens is that during their clinical years, when they are exposed to primary care, they see unhappy physicians. DB describes this quite accurately. The larger salaries of the specialist and students’ looming debt is only the icing on the cake in their decision not to choose primary care.
I agree that debt forgiveness is a good idea, but it will not be nearly enough to solve the primary care crisis. Smart students will realize that they will be able to make up the difference only a few years down the road. Similarly, blanket increases to primary care will help, but again will not be sufficient. The concept of the Medical Home sounds encouraging, but if the increases are not enough, and the hurdles to get the extra money are too burdensome, the Medical Home may actually make the situation worse.
The main problem is the way primary care is reimbursed. Lawyers and accountants have lots of paperwork, but get paid for doing this. Similarly, they bill for the time spent communicating with their clients. Primary care physicians do lots of paperwork which they can’t get reimbursed for and spend lots of time communicating with patients where they barely get reimbursed (regular appointments) or get no reimbursement at all (after hours emergency calls, phone calls, emails, etc.)
Thus, the problem is money, but salary and student debt are only part of (and not primarily) the issue. To solve the primary care crisis you have to reward (pay) primary care physicians for what they do, decrease administrative burden, or both.
The reason it seems like whining is that despite neverending complaints, there does not seem to be any effort to actually DO anything. Identifying a problem is not whining, but continuing to complain about it without actively moving to solve it is.
You can say the solution is “pay us more”, but that’s not really a solution because it doesn’t explain where the money comes from, who wins and loses under that theory, and how the public benefits from their increased costs.
Likewise with “decrease administrative burden”, if not more so. That’s not a solution, that’s a goal. Since physicians have primarily chosen the third party pay model, then THEY need to approach the payer with specific proposals designed to do just that. The public can’t help you, and frankly, do you really want the public, or their political representatives, negotiating for you with insurers on something they have little experience with? Of course not, or at least I hope it’s of course not.
If pre-meds think the way to a huge paycheck is law school or business school then they’re even more economically ignorant than physicians. Lawyers make on average only 2/3 of what physicians do. And what business is going to pay you an average of $150K a year? Tried to get a job as an investment banker lately?
I have been a solo family practice physician for about 9 years. I am happy overall in my career choice. I agree that many family doctors are unhappy. Some of this can be from group disparity, where the younger doctors are paid a fixed and low salary and have little input into the care of their patients. Other people get overwhelmed with the paperwork and insurance preauthorizations.
As a solo doctor, I usually work at least 50 hours a week, but I work for the patients and myself. I don’t have unrealistic quotas, and I don’t have to worry about production bonuses. I have input into the care of my patients and control of my salary. I make over $200,000 a year and enjoy seeing my patients in the office and in the hospital. As a smaller practice, I can spend more time caring directly for my patients instead of dealing with the administrative hassles of my colleagues in group practice. The majority of the primary care doctors in the area appear to be unhappy. In my area, most of the doctors are sponsored by a large nonprofit, state-funded (Medicaid mainly) corporation or the local hospitals. The monthly and quarterly meetings, which require production to keep your job, have caused a lot of primary care doctors to leave the area.
Students have to choose the area of practice that they plan to enjoy lifelong. A specialist may make a lot of money, but there are a lot of unhappy specialists. In town, most specialists are on their second and third marriages, buy a new Porsche/BMW every 2-3 years, and are not necessarily any happier than primary care doctors. People who make more often spend more. You can make a lot of money, but people have to choose the area that will bring them joy for 30-40 years. To me the patients make it worthwhile.
In medical school, they don’t tell you about the paperwork that is involved in primary care. Be ready for free paperwork completion. My accountant charged me $250 to look over some paperwork and write a one paragraph and a two paragraph letter. A few years ago, my lawyer charged me $200 to look at 1 page of bylaws and write me a letter that was 6 sentences. I write letters for patients all the time for free. Primary care is underappreciated as a whole, but seeing the joy on patients’ faces when I keep their power from getting turned off or help them with a work/school paperwork that helps them keep their job or stay in school makes it worthwhile. I also get charged if I call my accountant or lawyer for their time spent covering topics.
The current solutions of paying primary care doctors better sounds great, except most proposals are to take from the specialist and give to the primary care doctor. This would encourage fighting among the doctors. Currently CPT codes exist for telephone calls and paperwork, but none of the insurance companies pay for these services. My main complaint about primary care are the free time spent taking care of preauthorizations for needed studies/medications. I am liable if I make an error, but these currently are free services. Besides the insurance companies, the patients expect free phone call medicine.
Each day I simply want to see my patients without a lot of paperwork. I have not found a solution for the paperwork, but I do know that my electronic records system helps with the forms and templates, to compete the forms. The key is not to let paperwork build up and to know when to choose your battles. I try to remember that the care of the patient is the reason I do the paperwork and come to work each day.
When I have students rotating with me, I try to point out the pros and cons of primary care. Some of them already are set on a certain area, such as surgery or a subspecialty. Other students want to join me in the trenches, where I directly care for my patients. The best way to choose an area in medicine is to try out each area and then to do a subinternship during the last year of medical school. I estimate that half my colleagues chose specialty care for the financial security and notoriety. Hospitals track who makes the most money for the hospitals, and specialists usually are at the top of the list. Primary care physicians, however, are ones who are behind the scenes taking care of the whole patient and often are the admitting physicians.
i don’t think income and debt load affects choice of specialty as much as seasoned docs think it does primarily because most students are not savvy enough to understand the implications of the debt load and income over time. i think it weighs on you more when you are running a practice, and faced with declining revenues, increasing costs, and no solution in sight. and it also dawns on you that you are 45 and have 200k left to pay on your loans, no substantial savings, and 3 kids starting to need expensive stuff, with their college right around the corner. so current primary care docs look at the decision with their current eyes, forgetting how little practical world experience they had when they had to make their own decision.
i propose the unhappy primary docs are trying to be helpful and mentor their students by saying look-no matter how much you love the field as a student, after 10 or 15 years, you are just going to think of this as a job. might as well get paid better and potentially have more time to spend with individual patients than be trapped in a field where you are getting pressed by patients and payors and everyone else.
Hi Matt,
Thanks for your post. In answer to surveys, I don’t believe that any medical student will say that they are in it for the money. Similarly, when asked why a particular graduate would like to be a gastroenterologist, they won’t say that it is because it is like scoping for dollars. They will say that they are fascinated by the colon. Surveys do not tell the story. Unfortunately, the lure of the big money is what drives many students to specialties such as radiology, derm, ophtho, etc. As country solo doc states, they want a new Porsche/BMW every 2 years.
Where would we get the money to pay PCPs? Why, from the specialists, who are grossly overpaid. Training programs must teach evidence based medicine and ethics. The tenets of the ACP’s Ethics statement should be adopted by all (appropriate use of scarce resources, even down to nickels on similar generic meds, etc). Care should not vary illogically from geographic location to location (Eliot Fisher, John Wennberg).
It would, of course, be helpful if the paper work burden was decreased. Some of the paperwork is in place to mitigate the overuse of various procedures and medications many physicians are prone to ordering. It makes it more difficult than just writing for an MRI because someone has a benign headache, for instance.
It’s a dilemma, but as we become less able to afford the wasteful way medicine is practiced today (as Fisher postulates – 30% of current expenditures – I believe it is more than that), things will change for the better.
Thanks,
Adam (Internal Med – Board certified – 20 years experience)
Here’s the response I posted on this med student’s original blog entry:
Colin…interesting post, but you’ve made one huge (and unfortunately very common) error. You’ve conflated the relatively small amount of money at stake in medical school debt (no more than $250K, even at an expensive private medical school like the one I attended) with the disparity in wealth accumulated over the course of an average-length medical career: somewhere between 4 and 7 million present-day dollars (4 for cards, 7 for rads), even after accounting for differences in length of training, work hours, and interest on medical school debt.
If you doubt this, you seem like a pretty smart guy…grab some salary figures and crunch the numbers. Start with a 9% discount rate and then play around…no amount of monkeying within the plausible range of interest rates, hours worked, or lengths of training comes even close to achieving even ballpark-comparability in lifetime earnings.
So it’s no surprise that forgiving medical school debt won’t solve the primary care workforce crisis. Forgiving debt just doesn’t cover the dollar distance.
It’s really important to try to keep these concepts separated when you think about a graduating medical student’s choice function. Remember econ 101: medical school debt is a what we call a “sunk cost”. _Future_ earnings are what we see influencing medical student career choice, both directly and–as many commentators have noted–indirectly, by demoralizing and degrading the work life of the primary care physicians who model the career for students.
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Now, to catch up on the discussion here:
1. Adam is right…measuring medical students’ self-reported considerations in specialty choice is not a credible way of determining the influence of the income disparity. Any economist would tell you this. What you need to study are revealed preferences. Look at the choices medical students actually make.
2. This seems almost too obvious to point out, but I’ll say it anyway. Whether the income disparity is the major cause (or a primary cause, now disguised by a variety of mediators such as PCP misery) of the primary care workforce crisis is beside the point. No matter the cause, does anybody doubt that reducing the income disparity will help alleviate the crisis? Of course not. We all know raising PCP payment (or reducing procedurist/imager payments) will change medical students’ career choice patterns. Nobody who seriously thinks about this issue can argue otherwise.
3. It just needs to be repeated: the income gap between cognitive physicians and procedural/imaging physicians is a economically artificial creation. It is not the result of a free market. It is the result of a corrupt and incompetent system for setting administrative prices for physician labor.