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	<title>Comments on: Comments on P4P from the SGIM national meeting</title>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PFP started voluntarily for surgeons July 1.  I have chosen to ignore it entirely, if only because I&#039;ve become so frustrated with CMS and reimbursement in general that I consider the 1.5% &quot;bonus&quot; an insult that does not merit response.  After watching 50-100% decreases in reimbursement for surgery over the past 14 years, I will not waste my time nor my 7 full time office personells&#039; time compiling more BS government forms to document what we&#039;ve been doing all along.
    The bonus for an appendectomy ($400 for coming in at 11 pm, getting the patient out in less than 12 hours after a 30 minute laparoscopic procedure, and NINETY days of free follow-up wound care, phone calls, any complications, and liability ) is six bucks.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I will spend the extra 20 minutes on a jog, daydreaming about what second careers are available to an angry surgeon.
    When I was a medical student a common saying was &quot;It&#039;s not about the money.&quot;  I naively believed that , until they stopped paying us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PFP started voluntarily for surgeons July 1.  I have chosen to ignore it entirely, if only because I&#8217;ve become so frustrated with CMS and reimbursement in general that I consider the 1.5% &#8220;bonus&#8221; an insult that does not merit response.  After watching 50-100% decreases in reimbursement for surgery over the past 14 years, I will not waste my time nor my 7 full time office personells&#8217; time compiling more BS government forms to document what we&#8217;ve been doing all along.<br />
    The bonus for an appendectomy ($400 for coming in at 11 pm, getting the patient out in less than 12 hours after a 30 minute laparoscopic procedure, and NINETY days of free follow-up wound care, phone calls, any complications, and liability ) is six bucks.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I will spend the extra 20 minutes on a jog, daydreaming about what second careers are available to an angry surgeon.<br />
    When I was a medical student a common saying was &#8220;It&#8217;s not about the money.&#8221;  I naively believed that , until they stopped paying us.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/3279/comment-page-1#comment-494040</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;â€œYou canâ€™t have simplistic measures and think you are measuring quality,â€ Dr. Hayward said. â€œThe measures donâ€™t reflect the reality that you have to tailor treatments to individual patients.â€&quot;

Exhibit &quot;A&quot; on why you will never have national standards of care.  It&#039;s not the lawyers, it&#039;s the doctors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€œYou canâ€™t have simplistic measures and think you are measuring quality,â€ Dr. Hayward said. â€œThe measures donâ€™t reflect the reality that you have to tailor treatments to individual patients.â€&#8221;</p>
<p>Exhibit &#8220;A&#8221; on why you will never have national standards of care.  It&#8217;s not the lawyers, it&#8217;s the doctors.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may want to check out the WSJ Health Blog : More Is Less: Lessons From a Life in Health Research concerning the retirement of Jack Wennberg. He showed, through years of research, that outcomes and cost are not necessarily related. What is striking is that after 30 years we still are not looking at health care in a realistic manner concerning cost vs benefits.

While P4P may be looked upon as a solution the unintended consequences of check box medicine will over ride any benefit.
Steve Lucas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may want to check out the WSJ Health Blog : More Is Less: Lessons From a Life in Health Research concerning the retirement of Jack Wennberg. He showed, through years of research, that outcomes and cost are not necessarily related. What is striking is that after 30 years we still are not looking at health care in a realistic manner concerning cost vs benefits.</p>
<p>While P4P may be looked upon as a solution the unintended consequences of check box medicine will over ride any benefit.<br />
Steve Lucas</p>
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