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	<title>Comments on: A colleague writes about the right to health care</title>
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	<description>Internal medicine, American health care, and especially medical education</description>
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		<title>By: charityNOT coercion</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/3230/comment-page-1#comment-481087</link>
		<dc:creator>charityNOT coercion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 00:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.
By DEFINITION a positive right results in the enslavement of those who must fulfill that obligation.

Perhaps the bohemian nurse would be willing to accept only 80% of her compensation when she treats a Medicaid patient. That would be charitable.

However, when government coercion forces her to accept 80% (as it does to doctors), that is called enslavement and THEFT.

Wake up! Stop treading on inalienable rights just because you &quot;need&quot; it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.<br />
By DEFINITION a positive right results in the enslavement of those who must fulfill that obligation.</p>
<p>Perhaps the bohemian nurse would be willing to accept only 80% of her compensation when she treats a Medicaid patient. That would be charitable.</p>
<p>However, when government coercion forces her to accept 80% (as it does to doctors), that is called enslavement and THEFT.</p>
<p>Wake up! Stop treading on inalienable rights just because you &#8220;need&#8221; it</p>
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		<title>By: Jetset</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/3230/comment-page-1#comment-475585</link>
		<dc:creator>Jetset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 21:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So expanding Medicaid to cover the â€œworking poorâ€ and provide a limited menu of essential preventive care and acute care services wouldnâ€™t be too hard. &quot;

It is the working poor who are already paying for the non-working poor. Please don&#039;t imagine that Medicaid comes from some infinite money pool the government has. The government only has the money that it harvests from the citizens that produce money.  The vast majority of that money comes from the low-mid class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So expanding Medicaid to cover the â€œworking poorâ€ and provide a limited menu of essential preventive care and acute care services wouldnâ€™t be too hard. &#8221;</p>
<p>It is the working poor who are already paying for the non-working poor. Please don&#8217;t imagine that Medicaid comes from some infinite money pool the government has. The government only has the money that it harvests from the citizens that produce money.  The vast majority of that money comes from the low-mid class.</p>
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		<title>By: jetset</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 20:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Dr Huddle for an obviously carefully wrought and well-reasoned argument. It seems to me that the argument boils down to the pragmatist who say &quot;society cannot bear the cost&quot; and the idealists who say &quot;the individual cannot bear the cost&quot;. 

When a product becomes free (a right), the demand becomes infinite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dr Huddle for an obviously carefully wrought and well-reasoned argument. It seems to me that the argument boils down to the pragmatist who say &#8220;society cannot bear the cost&#8221; and the idealists who say &#8220;the individual cannot bear the cost&#8221;. </p>
<p>When a product becomes free (a right), the demand becomes infinite.</p>
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		<title>By: sizegenetics</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/3230/comment-page-1#comment-473278</link>
		<dc:creator>sizegenetics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 08:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you are right to say that it is time for us to join other such countries in providing a level of universal access to health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you are right to say that it is time for us to join other such countries in providing a level of universal access to health care.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Huddle</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/3230/comment-page-1#comment-473109</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Huddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 20:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps thereâ€™s nothing I can say that will prevent some from reading my argument as an expression of hardhearted unwillingness to help the poor.  

But of course I deny the charge; my point here is not how we should choose to spend our public moneyâ€”I think we should increase access to health care; programs like WIC sound great, and amenable to just the kind of argument I would wish to make for them; here is a great need; we can meet it in this way, and this is a better use of our money than these other uses; therefore, lets do it.  

My point is simply to suggest that how we think about these arguments is important; and that the â€œpositive rightsâ€ way of thinking about them is not satisfactory.  Pointing out that seeing needs in terms of positive rights leads to conflict with negative rights may seem hardheartedâ€”but in fact it works out otherwise.  Production must come before consumption and paying attention to conditions that will promote it in fact makes possible the meeting of needs.  We can debate what to do with our public money because we are prosperous enough to have some to debate about.  The countries in the world that have the healthiest populations and the best health care are those in which negative rights have been respected.  I do not believe that this is coincidence.  It is indeed time for us to join other such countries in providing a level of universal access to heatlh care, because the need is there and we can meet it both practically and morallyâ€”by respecting negative rights as we do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps thereâ€™s nothing I can say that will prevent some from reading my argument as an expression of hardhearted unwillingness to help the poor.  </p>
<p>But of course I deny the charge; my point here is not how we should choose to spend our public moneyâ€”I think we should increase access to health care; programs like WIC sound great, and amenable to just the kind of argument I would wish to make for them; here is a great need; we can meet it in this way, and this is a better use of our money than these other uses; therefore, lets do it.  </p>
<p>My point is simply to suggest that how we think about these arguments is important; and that the â€œpositive rightsâ€ way of thinking about them is not satisfactory.  Pointing out that seeing needs in terms of positive rights leads to conflict with negative rights may seem hardheartedâ€”but in fact it works out otherwise.  Production must come before consumption and paying attention to conditions that will promote it in fact makes possible the meeting of needs.  We can debate what to do with our public money because we are prosperous enough to have some to debate about.  The countries in the world that have the healthiest populations and the best health care are those in which negative rights have been respected.  I do not believe that this is coincidence.  It is indeed time for us to join other such countries in providing a level of universal access to heatlh care, because the need is there and we can meet it both practically and morallyâ€”by respecting negative rights as we do so.</p>
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		<title>By: CHenry</title>
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		<dc:creator>CHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 17:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;We need to measure our desire with our ability to pay.&#039;

We do better than that. We measure our desire by our ability to make others pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;We need to measure our desire with our ability to pay.&#8217;</p>
<p>We do better than that. We measure our desire by our ability to make others pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 12:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with Dr. Huddle. While it is difficult to not serve what we perceive as a needy portion of the population there is a great divide between desire and &quot;right.&quot; Many turn to the European model of health care, not realizing benefits are being lowered, and care is in fact rationed. 

A common phrase today is that we are a &quot;rich&quot; country. The reality is a very small percentage of people pay the bulk of the tax burden. The type of &quot;rights&quot; most often proposed, will only increase this burden, and thus, at some point make it economically undesirable to offer heath insurance to any person.

We need to measure our desire with our ability to pay.

Steve Lucas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with Dr. Huddle. While it is difficult to not serve what we perceive as a needy portion of the population there is a great divide between desire and &#8220;right.&#8221; Many turn to the European model of health care, not realizing benefits are being lowered, and care is in fact rationed. </p>
<p>A common phrase today is that we are a &#8220;rich&#8221; country. The reality is a very small percentage of people pay the bulk of the tax burden. The type of &#8220;rights&#8221; most often proposed, will only increase this burden, and thus, at some point make it economically undesirable to offer heath insurance to any person.</p>
<p>We need to measure our desire with our ability to pay.</p>
<p>Steve Lucas</p>
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		<title>By: Psyche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psyche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 04:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Bohemian Road Nurse.  As this very blog says - &quot;Anyone can make the simple complicated.&quot; (Charles Mingus).

As a psychiatric social worker, I&#039;m a lot closer than most health workers to providing care for free.  I make less than a teacher, less than a factory worker, less than a truck driver.  I daily help the homeless that Dr. Huddle is so convinced exist to take away his &quot;negative rights.&quot;  They are human beings.  They are his equals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Bohemian Road Nurse.  As this very blog says &#8211; &#8220;Anyone can make the simple complicated.&#8221; (Charles Mingus).</p>
<p>As a psychiatric social worker, I&#8217;m a lot closer than most health workers to providing care for free.  I make less than a teacher, less than a factory worker, less than a truck driver.  I daily help the homeless that Dr. Huddle is so convinced exist to take away his &#8220;negative rights.&#8221;  They are human beings.  They are his equals.</p>
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		<title>By: A Bohemian Road Nurse....</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Bohemian Road Nurse....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 22:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Oh yeah, and if you have to think about my comment, it means that you might need to read a Bible, especially the 10 Commandment about &quot;loving thy neighbor as thyself&quot;....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Oh yeah, and if you have to think about my comment, it means that you might need to read a Bible, especially the 10 Commandment about &#8220;loving thy neighbor as thyself&#8221;&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: A Bohemian Road Nurse....</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Bohemian Road Nurse....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 22:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh...I guess I&#039;m going to have to say it.

While some people may not think that healthcare is a &quot;human right&quot;, it is the ONLY thing that is correct when people rant and use the phrase: &quot;my God given right&quot;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh&#8230;I guess I&#8217;m going to have to say it.</p>
<p>While some people may not think that healthcare is a &#8220;human right&#8221;, it is the ONLY thing that is correct when people rant and use the phrase: &#8220;my God given right&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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