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		<title>By: FD</title>
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		<dc:creator>FD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJD,
I enjoy reading your perspectives on the various issues that are presented on this site, keep up the posting!</description>
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I enjoy reading your perspectives on the various issues that are presented on this site, keep up the posting!</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2954/comment-page-1#comment-301211</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 03:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve started giving out my email address to selected patients.  One was a little abusive with it - but did send me bitchin&#039; pix of herself as s motercycle grandma, so I guess that makes up for some.  Most of the others were appropriate.  Med refills.  Remind me to order a mammo.  I especially like it when my diabetic folks email me their sugars, so I can tweak their insulin.  

We have an encryption service, so it is HIPAA compliant.  I&#039;ve only had one patinet&#039;s spam filter totaly reject it.  And it doesn&#039;t stop the VIagra refill requests that one would send from his workplace.  I&#039;d repply with encryption, but his initial email is out there on the www.

And it did save a life.  A patient emailed me with weird symptoms.  I didn&#039;t like the sound of them &amp; said to get thee to the ER.  She showed it to her boss &amp; he let her go w/o an argument.  Turned out that may have saved her life.  Glad she didin&#039;t have to wait until I got to the bottom of my in-box on my desk.

No, I don&#039;t get paid for this.  Yes, I&#039;d like to.  But, in the managed care world, managing a panel is almost as good as billling for a visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve started giving out my email address to selected patients.  One was a little abusive with it &#8211; but did send me bitchin&#8217; pix of herself as s motercycle grandma, so I guess that makes up for some.  Most of the others were appropriate.  Med refills.  Remind me to order a mammo.  I especially like it when my diabetic folks email me their sugars, so I can tweak their insulin.  </p>
<p>We have an encryption service, so it is HIPAA compliant.  I&#8217;ve only had one patinet&#8217;s spam filter totaly reject it.  And it doesn&#8217;t stop the VIagra refill requests that one would send from his workplace.  I&#8217;d repply with encryption, but his initial email is out there on the www.</p>
<p>And it did save a life.  A patient emailed me with weird symptoms.  I didn&#8217;t like the sound of them &amp; said to get thee to the ER.  She showed it to her boss &amp; he let her go w/o an argument.  Turned out that may have saved her life.  Glad she didin&#8217;t have to wait until I got to the bottom of my in-box on my desk.</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t get paid for this.  Yes, I&#8217;d like to.  But, in the managed care world, managing a panel is almost as good as billling for a visit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it is, phone calls really add to the work of a physician. Especially because they don&#039;t get compensated, they are viewed as additional work - even if they are part of the care of patients. Many patients know that when they call their physician they won&#039;t reach him/her right away, and will have to get a call back. I think that discourages some of the less important issues. If patients knew they had email access to their doctor, they&#039;d be firing off an email with every little minor problem. Why go to the doctor and pay a co-pay, I&#039;ll just send an email...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it is, phone calls really add to the work of a physician. Especially because they don&#8217;t get compensated, they are viewed as additional work &#8211; even if they are part of the care of patients. Many patients know that when they call their physician they won&#8217;t reach him/her right away, and will have to get a call back. I think that discourages some of the less important issues. If patients knew they had email access to their doctor, they&#8217;d be firing off an email with every little minor problem. Why go to the doctor and pay a co-pay, I&#8217;ll just send an email&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: drncc</title>
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		<dc:creator>drncc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heya,

Still get sued, don&#039;t get paid.

(Still liable, not remunerated.)

Or else I for one would really like email medicine.

--drncc--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heya,</p>
<p>Still get sued, don&#8217;t get paid.</p>
<p>(Still liable, not remunerated.)</p>
<p>Or else I for one would really like email medicine.</p>
<p>&#8211;drncc&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJD,

Thanks for the straightforward response.  I agree with your assessment that physicians like to sit around and whine a lot and not do things about it.  I have ranted on this in the P4P discussion.  We hate the idea of things because other people are doing them to us.  Well, why don&#039;t we do it better ourselves?  

In the e-mail arena, we have definite plans; we just are taking care to implement properly.  Our office is already ahead of the curve on this stuff and we intend to stay there.  This has allowed us to push the market to some extent, as people recognize what is actually possible if an office is run differently.

I am not saying we are there yet - the present reimbursement system handcuffs primary care physicians terribly in our ability to invest in change - overhead margins are very slim and can kill your paycheck if you are not careful.  Yet it is possible to make big changes and there are many starting to do so.  

Another big part of the problem is that most of the medical societies are more apt to cry for the status quo (even when it sucks) than to lead change.  Physicians may not be able to run the show, but we certainly can do more than we are doing now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJD,</p>
<p>Thanks for the straightforward response.  I agree with your assessment that physicians like to sit around and whine a lot and not do things about it.  I have ranted on this in the P4P discussion.  We hate the idea of things because other people are doing them to us.  Well, why don&#8217;t we do it better ourselves?  </p>
<p>In the e-mail arena, we have definite plans; we just are taking care to implement properly.  Our office is already ahead of the curve on this stuff and we intend to stay there.  This has allowed us to push the market to some extent, as people recognize what is actually possible if an office is run differently.</p>
<p>I am not saying we are there yet &#8211; the present reimbursement system handcuffs primary care physicians terribly in our ability to invest in change &#8211; overhead margins are very slim and can kill your paycheck if you are not careful.  Yet it is possible to make big changes and there are many starting to do so.  </p>
<p>Another big part of the problem is that most of the medical societies are more apt to cry for the status quo (even when it sucks) than to lead change.  Physicians may not be able to run the show, but we certainly can do more than we are doing now.</p>
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		<title>By: CJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

I&#039;m not talking about that transition - I&#039;m talking the transition to a system that would allow you to be paid for returning that email, for spending more time with your clients, etc.  

I&#039;m talking about proposals to eliminate the third party payer system that you guys complain so much about.  I know it&#039;s not simple - but it&#039;s not like it&#039;s a new problem, and we&#039;ve seen little legislatively from physicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about that transition &#8211; I&#8217;m talking the transition to a system that would allow you to be paid for returning that email, for spending more time with your clients, etc.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking about proposals to eliminate the third party payer system that you guys complain so much about.  I know it&#8217;s not simple &#8211; but it&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s a new problem, and we&#8217;ve seen little legislatively from physicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2954/comment-page-1#comment-299928</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, CJD:
You are a good lawyer-type (compliment or insult, you choose).  You don&#039;t address the substance of what I say, you just attack a misrepresentation of it.  My point was that there are reasonable reservations that physicians have.  Our office is completely computerized as far as our medical records are concerned so I have a very good understanding of the technical issues involved, and I know that seemingly simple things have resulted in significant disruption of care for our patients.  Don&#039;t assume that it is simply stupidity or stubbornness on the part of the physicians.  I am not at all afraid of change, yet I know that you need to make dramatic changes like going to e-mail (which will be a HUGE change) with great care.  We are presently getting things in place to make the switch, and it is a very big task.  The majority of physicians are not nearly as technically smart as our practice and so it will take a much greater re-engineering of their practices than it will take ours.

You don&#039;t always have to be a contrarian.  I was not personally attacking you, I just feel that someone on the outside does not understand the difficulty of making this type of transition.  I speak nationally on the adoption of computers in medical practice and yet I feel it is difficult.  Can&#039;t you take my word for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, CJD:<br />
You are a good lawyer-type (compliment or insult, you choose).  You don&#8217;t address the substance of what I say, you just attack a misrepresentation of it.  My point was that there are reasonable reservations that physicians have.  Our office is completely computerized as far as our medical records are concerned so I have a very good understanding of the technical issues involved, and I know that seemingly simple things have resulted in significant disruption of care for our patients.  Don&#8217;t assume that it is simply stupidity or stubbornness on the part of the physicians.  I am not at all afraid of change, yet I know that you need to make dramatic changes like going to e-mail (which will be a HUGE change) with great care.  We are presently getting things in place to make the switch, and it is a very big task.  The majority of physicians are not nearly as technically smart as our practice and so it will take a much greater re-engineering of their practices than it will take ours.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t always have to be a contrarian.  I was not personally attacking you, I just feel that someone on the outside does not understand the difficulty of making this type of transition.  I speak nationally on the adoption of computers in medical practice and yet I feel it is difficult.  Can&#8217;t you take my word for it?</p>
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		<title>By: CJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Doctors, who are primarily interested in taking care of their patients and only secondarily invested in making a living, donâ€™t stand a snowballâ€™s chance in hell of making any meaningful difference. &quot;

Settle down, Saint Physician.  Somehow, you all seem to find time to make it to the statehouse to cut the recovery of the legitimately injured in the hope of making more money from redued premiums.  

You&#039;re the wealthiest profession in the world - a few of you can&#039;t take some time off to develop some legislation?  The rest of you wouldn&#039;t chip in a few bucks now to support those who take the time off?  

Be serious.  You have the most to gain by change, in terms of compensation and quality of life.  So where are your proposals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doctors, who are primarily interested in taking care of their patients and only secondarily invested in making a living, donâ€™t stand a snowballâ€™s chance in hell of making any meaningful difference. &#8221;</p>
<p>Settle down, Saint Physician.  Somehow, you all seem to find time to make it to the statehouse to cut the recovery of the legitimately injured in the hope of making more money from redued premiums.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re the wealthiest profession in the world &#8211; a few of you can&#8217;t take some time off to develop some legislation?  The rest of you wouldn&#8217;t chip in a few bucks now to support those who take the time off?  </p>
<p>Be serious.  You have the most to gain by change, in terms of compensation and quality of life.  So where are your proposals?</p>
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		<title>By: #1 Dinosaur</title>
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		<dc:creator>#1 Dinosaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJD: It&#039;s because there are way too many people making way too much money with the present system to allow it to change. The insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, and the trial lawyers have more than enough legislators bought and paid for to maintain the status quo indefinitely.

Doctors, who are primarily interested in taking care of their patients and only secondarily invested in making a living, don&#039;t stand a snowball&#039;s chance in hell of making any meaningful difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJD: It&#8217;s because there are way too many people making way too much money with the present system to allow it to change. The insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, and the trial lawyers have more than enough legislators bought and paid for to maintain the status quo indefinitely.</p>
<p>Doctors, who are primarily interested in taking care of their patients and only secondarily invested in making a living, don&#8217;t stand a snowball&#8217;s chance in hell of making any meaningful difference.</p>
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		<title>By: CJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So CJD, it is not as simple as it sounds. &quot;

I know it&#039;s not simple.  But do you guys even have a complex proposal for rectifying the problem?  So far you&#039;re heavy on complaints, short on solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So CJD, it is not as simple as it sounds. &#8221;</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s not simple.  But do you guys even have a complex proposal for rectifying the problem?  So far you&#8217;re heavy on complaints, short on solutions.</p>
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