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		<title>By: &#187; Post #5: Bib whats up so far</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Post #5: Bib whats up so far</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lipo, Botox and feel good pills are the rage. [...] It is no wonder our insurance cost are so high.&quot;
Lipo or Botox are not covered by any insurance that I know about; you cannot even use the money from your &quot;personal health account&quot; to pay for them. Neither are Restylane, Renova or any other item used for cosmetic purposes. So these are bad examples - women want to look better and younger and are willing to pay for it. This has been true for centuries, the only difference is that now there are more options. Besides, looks often have an impact on one&#039;s ability to get a job - whether or not the job requires good looks. This is really a bad example, IMHO.

As Jim Punkre says - blame drug advertising, guidelines that recommend that more and more healthy people take drugs and classify risk factors as deseases (high cholesterol, osteopenia, attention deficit disorder, etc.) With the stringency of many of these guidelines it is difficult to find a single person over the age of 40 who would not be taking something. Give me a shred of proof that statins  prevent a single death in otherwise healthy women, even in those with risk factors; yet the guidelines make no difference between sexes. Some of the statins ads feature this slim healthy woman in a swimsuit. I barely manage to stay below the cholesterol numbers specified in the guidelines, and I am size 5, active and eat all the right foods. In a few years, my LDL will go above the guidelines no matter what I do.

 The doctors have no choice but follow the guidelines because otherwise they&#039;d be sued if something goes wrong.   
But each of those drugs that can prevent some condition some years down the line there is a risk of a side effect here and now. While many of these side effects are not serious, they may impact quality of life now, but nobody cares about such minor issues. Also, especially in case of older people, it is often impossible to say if something a side effect of a drug or of age. 
If you are a patient who is reluctant to go on prescription drugs for life, you have to spend hours researching all pros and cons because more likely than not nobody is going to give you the cons; then you have to overcome your reluctance to say &quot;no&quot; to the doctor. Most people don&#039;t bother. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lipo, Botox and feel good pills are the rage. [...] It is no wonder our insurance cost are so high.&#8221;<br />
Lipo or Botox are not covered by any insurance that I know about; you cannot even use the money from your &#8220;personal health account&#8221; to pay for them. Neither are Restylane, Renova or any other item used for cosmetic purposes. So these are bad examples &#8211; women want to look better and younger and are willing to pay for it. This has been true for centuries, the only difference is that now there are more options. Besides, looks often have an impact on one&#8217;s ability to get a job &#8211; whether or not the job requires good looks. This is really a bad example, IMHO.</p>
<p>As Jim Punkre says &#8211; blame drug advertising, guidelines that recommend that more and more healthy people take drugs and classify risk factors as deseases (high cholesterol, osteopenia, attention deficit disorder, etc.) With the stringency of many of these guidelines it is difficult to find a single person over the age of 40 who would not be taking something. Give me a shred of proof that statins  prevent a single death in otherwise healthy women, even in those with risk factors; yet the guidelines make no difference between sexes. Some of the statins ads feature this slim healthy woman in a swimsuit. I barely manage to stay below the cholesterol numbers specified in the guidelines, and I am size 5, active and eat all the right foods. In a few years, my LDL will go above the guidelines no matter what I do.</p>
<p> The doctors have no choice but follow the guidelines because otherwise they&#8217;d be sued if something goes wrong.<br />
But each of those drugs that can prevent some condition some years down the line there is a risk of a side effect here and now. While many of these side effects are not serious, they may impact quality of life now, but nobody cares about such minor issues. Also, especially in case of older people, it is often impossible to say if something a side effect of a drug or of age.<br />
If you are a patient who is reluctant to go on prescription drugs for life, you have to spend hours researching all pros and cons because more likely than not nobody is going to give you the cons; then you have to overcome your reluctance to say &#8220;no&#8221; to the doctor. Most people don&#8217;t bother.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 05:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot also comes down to laziness.  We&#039;ve got great data on prevention of diabetes and guess what?  Exercise is better than pills (Da Qing study, Diabetes Prevention Program trial, etc.).  But when I discuss the options with patients, frequently the answer is &quot;I&#039;ll take the metformin.&quot;  Meds are a quick and easy fix. Unfortunately, meds are often only a temporary fix.  Patients will always be able to out eat and out sit our meds.   Maybe if patients had more of a financial incentive, e.g, they had to pay for the statins/Strattera/metformin out of pocket, there would be more incentive.  But that&#039;s a whole other can of worms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot also comes down to laziness.  We&#8217;ve got great data on prevention of diabetes and guess what?  Exercise is better than pills (Da Qing study, Diabetes Prevention Program trial, etc.).  But when I discuss the options with patients, frequently the answer is &#8220;I&#8217;ll take the metformin.&#8221;  Meds are a quick and easy fix. Unfortunately, meds are often only a temporary fix.  Patients will always be able to out eat and out sit our meds.   Maybe if patients had more of a financial incentive, e.g, they had to pay for the statins/Strattera/metformin out of pocket, there would be more incentive.  But that&#8217;s a whole other can of worms.</p>
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		<title>By: jim punkre</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2532/comment-page-1#comment-71530</link>
		<dc:creator>jim punkre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 05:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real scandal underlying this issue is the corrupt collusion between the pharmaceutical industry, the FDA, and many medical reasearchers and &quot;experts&quot; who are secretly on the take from Big Pharma, rigging studies and tilting national guidelines to sell more drugs to us.  Big Pharma has bought the FDA in the same way that Big Oil has bought the White House and the food industry owns the USDA.

What&#039;s particularly sinister about this is the inordinate faith that the American public places in doctors and officially-sanctioned research trials.  So, for example, when official guidelines for total cholesterol were lowered from 220 to 200, 24 million potential new statin drug customers were created overnight.  The public bought the edict completely and began obsessing about their lipid numbers. What they didn&#039;t realize is that the majority of the committee members voting to lower the guidelines were secretly on the payroll of companies making statins.  (This was also true of committee members voting to readmit Vioxx to the marketplace, despite research showing it is a dangerous product.)

The tragedy is that we are a nation of sheep.  The White House tells us Iraq is a threat that must be erased and we unquestioningly vote for war.  Doctors tell us that high cholesterol is a health danger that we must control (even though, like Iraq, this connection has never been proven) and we rush out to purchase an expensive drug that weakens our muscles, fogs our recall ability, and endangers our livers and kidneys.

In both instances (and many others) we are getting what we deserve for our ignorance.  The sad thing is that there will be much (needless)suffering before we come to our senses and demand the truth.  This is probably why evolution is such a painfully slow process.

The very real problems posed by the medical establishment today are mirrored in the problems we have with our government.  When will we demand a system that provides facts, instead of spinning them? Are things already too far out of our control for this to be possible? 

Until we come up with a government (and medical system) that honestly serves the public and tells the truth, we are going to have to do the hard work ourselves. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real scandal underlying this issue is the corrupt collusion between the pharmaceutical industry, the FDA, and many medical reasearchers and &#8220;experts&#8221; who are secretly on the take from Big Pharma, rigging studies and tilting national guidelines to sell more drugs to us.  Big Pharma has bought the FDA in the same way that Big Oil has bought the White House and the food industry owns the USDA.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s particularly sinister about this is the inordinate faith that the American public places in doctors and officially-sanctioned research trials.  So, for example, when official guidelines for total cholesterol were lowered from 220 to 200, 24 million potential new statin drug customers were created overnight.  The public bought the edict completely and began obsessing about their lipid numbers. What they didn&#8217;t realize is that the majority of the committee members voting to lower the guidelines were secretly on the payroll of companies making statins.  (This was also true of committee members voting to readmit Vioxx to the marketplace, despite research showing it is a dangerous product.)</p>
<p>The tragedy is that we are a nation of sheep.  The White House tells us Iraq is a threat that must be erased and we unquestioningly vote for war.  Doctors tell us that high cholesterol is a health danger that we must control (even though, like Iraq, this connection has never been proven) and we rush out to purchase an expensive drug that weakens our muscles, fogs our recall ability, and endangers our livers and kidneys.</p>
<p>In both instances (and many others) we are getting what we deserve for our ignorance.  The sad thing is that there will be much (needless)suffering before we come to our senses and demand the truth.  This is probably why evolution is such a painfully slow process.</p>
<p>The very real problems posed by the medical establishment today are mirrored in the problems we have with our government.  When will we demand a system that provides facts, instead of spinning them? Are things already too far out of our control for this to be possible? </p>
<p>Until we come up with a government (and medical system) that honestly serves the public and tells the truth, we are going to have to do the hard work ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: pj</title>
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		<dc:creator>pj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue seems more a cultural phenomena and medical practioners are along for the ride.

maybe this is false, but I see children brainwashed by TV
shows and the advertsers that support shows which emphasize materialism, indulgence , and the buy now/pay later mantra.  Hedonism is the underlying theme.

No wonder when kids become adults they want pills to buy in lieu of practicing  common sense behaviors that are health promoting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue seems more a cultural phenomena and medical practioners are along for the ride.</p>
<p>maybe this is false, but I see children brainwashed by TV<br />
shows and the advertsers that support shows which emphasize materialism, indulgence , and the buy now/pay later mantra.  Hedonism is the underlying theme.</p>
<p>No wonder when kids become adults they want pills to buy in lieu of practicing  common sense behaviors that are health promoting.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Bernstein, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice Bernstein, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now DTC TV ads wants you to talk to your surgeon about using named prosthetic appliances for joint surgery.  What an insult to orthopedic surgeons as though they need their patients input suggestions for their surgical procedures.  Next, the patients will be coached on TV regarding the best needles and suture material! ..Maurice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now DTC TV ads wants you to talk to your surgeon about using named prosthetic appliances for joint surgery.  What an insult to orthopedic surgeons as though they need their patients input suggestions for their surgical procedures.  Next, the patients will be coached on TV regarding the best needles and suture material! ..Maurice.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lipo, Botox and feel good pills are the rage. A recent article indicated those leaving New Orleans wanted their Viagra scrips filled before they left town. It is no wonder our insurance cost are so high.

My fight is with a doctor who says: &quot;Everyone takes them and your insurance will pay.&quot;

I think this is right on, especially the part about the CEO&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lipo, Botox and feel good pills are the rage. A recent article indicated those leaving New Orleans wanted their Viagra scrips filled before they left town. It is no wonder our insurance cost are so high.</p>
<p>My fight is with a doctor who says: &#8220;Everyone takes them and your insurance will pay.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is right on, especially the part about the CEO&#8217;s.</p>
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