Answering some questions on special health courts

by rcentor on September 13, 2005

1) Would the plaintiff still be able to use testimony from his own expert witness? Or would these court-doctor’s opinions be the only ones heard?

I am guessing here – but I am certain that a plaintiff could ask for an expert witness. I have previously written about the problems of the current expert witness system – witnesses for hire. I suspect that special health courts would seek out (independent of the accused) true experts. Currently both sides work hard to find experts who agree with their side.

2) Who would pay for the panel of doctors, and how much would it cost? Why would it be less than the cost of a trial in the current system? If the court pays for them, then wouldn’t that make it so easy for a plaintiff to bring a malpractice claim that the court would be flooded with them? A lot of frivolous claims means a lot of state-hired doctor panels, which is a lot of taxpayer money…

The special health court would necessarily be a panel of doctors. It might be a panel of non-physician judges. Yes, plaintiffs will more easily be able to bring a claim – but (and here I make an assumption) the courts would have mechanisms for dismissing “frivilous claims”.

I believe the trial costs would not change significantly – but then I am no expert on legal costs.

3) Why can’t ordinary legal precedent set the standard of care for medical malpractice? Is it because medical technology changes too quickly for these precedents to be binding?

Darn good question – but how often do legal precedents travel from state to state. Medical science does change rapidly, and this has some influence. Some malpractice judgements start out incorrect – and lead to dangerous precedents (the best example is C-sections to prevent cerebral palsy – which does not work).

4) Why would doctors be more likely to admit mistakes in Health courts than they are in current courts?

I doubt that doctors will more likely admit mistakes. I also believe that Health courts will be less often fooled on both sides. I would expect an increase in successful claims.

5) What different method would be used to assess damages that they would be so much lower in health courts? Is there an idea of only partial compensation built into the health-court system, like workman’s comp or something?

I would suspect that special health courts would develop standards for non-economic damages – leading to consistency.

Why is it important that the mechanism for improving quality be tied to the tort system? No other industry works that way. For example, I believe NTSB findings are barred from being used in court. I’m not a lawyer, so my concern, like yours, is quality improvement. How come doctors focus so much on the legal system when they have so much of the current structure under their direct control (including medical insurers which are largely populated by physicians at the executive level)?

This is a complicated issue. Physicians are doing a great deal to improve quality. We have many active programs ongoing. (Example – Ambulatory Care Quality Alliance However, the biggest key is developing a system where physicians will admit mistakes. Our current malpractice system actually stifles open discussions of errors. Most physicians admit to paranoia concerning malpractice.

The one area they want to change so fervently is the one area that they have the least leverage and impacts cost the least. What about better technology (how many doctors have EMRs installed)? What about better measurements (why so much angst regarding P4P)? What about mandatory error reporting?

EMRs are coming rapidly. EMRs do cost money and time up front. As I write repeatedly, we run the only business in which charges and reimbursement is fixed. Thus, if we increase overhead, we cannot adjust charges to reflect our increased overhead. This is the hurdle that we must overcome in getting universal EMRs. However, EMRs have improved markedly in the past couple of years.

I have written about Pay for Performance often. We will have P4P soon (actually we already have it with some insurance companies). Physician angst over P4P comes from the belief that we do not have the right methods to judge performance. We must insure that P4P takes into consideration patient level data – not just administrative data. Moreover, we must insure that P4P covers the breadth of what physicians do, not just measuring “low hanging fruit”.

What about universal healthcare?

Many physicians support universal health care – but the phrase carries significant political nuance. Do you really mean government single payor system – then most physicians get nervous? Should we have universal legal care? Should we have universal housing?

What about more participation in developing practice guidelines? (One large IPA told me they had to beg doctors to participate.)

We have too many practice guidelines already – why is the IPA developing more? Guidelines sound great – but they do not always apply to our patients – please read my recent rant – A problem with guideline based therapy and P4P

What about dashboard measurements for hospital departments? Wouldn’t all/most of these be able to improve quality with less energy and more gain than malpractice reform, but all that physicians can agree upon is malpractice reform. The answer seems obvious to me; it’s the only one that doesn’t require self examination or sacrifice.

I suspect this answer will sound arrogant – but let me try anyway. Medical care is much more complex than most other activities. Patients do not come in standards – they have multiple disease, multiple opinions and desires. Many would like us to simplify our complex task into simple measurements. We can (and do) measure some things as guides – but in the end, we must individualize care at the patient level. We (physicians) fear oversimplification, believing that sometimes patient care will suffer.

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The entire issue of quality and malpractice is very complex. Physicians see the world through very different eyes than lawyers. We are unlikely to agree on many assumptions. Our world view differs so dramatically as to insure our quibbling. I hope we all want a better and more consistent health care system. But then, as I read our commentors, that is not the concern of the trial lawyer. If the health care system improves or deteriorates, the trial lawyer shrugs and considers that an externality. The trial lawyer is doing his/her job. I would like to change the system so that job does not consider the health care system an externality. But then I have been and remain an eternal optimist.

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{ 5 comments… read them below or add one }

elliottg September 13, 2005 at 8:35 am

Thank you for your thoughtful replies. I remain unconvinced. Looking at the great progress that medical science has made, I find little to support the notion that when looking for major quality improvements one should give special weight to individual needs. Public health triumphs like vaccination, or flouride, or elimination of malaria (in the US) did not depend upon treating every individual in their complexity and nuance. So I start with a premise which you seem to have implicitly rejected which is that quality improvements will likely be impersonal, institutional, and global. Many of your arguments such as your rant against P4P (which seemed weak to me having heard too many hospital administrators justify their lousy results, financial and medical, by saying they have a unique and complex case mix – actually every hospital administrator with lousy results says that) boil down to the physician treating the unique individual which I support, but I don’t believe can easily yield global quality improvements. The strongest quality results in the US are those that are the most rigorous in their processes (Kaiser and VA).

After addressing each of the suggestions I made regarding more fruitful use of time and energy you are still wedded to the idea of trying to shoehorn a process that IS dedicated to the treatment of individuals as individuals. (at the same time passionately arguing for that approach in medicine). This seems profoundly misguided. The lawyer acts as an advocate for an individual. To try to fix the problem you have with the system by limiting the options of the individuals who emerge from that system with the worst outcomes does not seem to me to be the best approach to the problem. This is made even more undesireable since the solutions the medical community most endorse (you are a relatively lonely voice in suggesting that any changes should improve compensation for individuals) tend to tip the balance of rights (plaintiffs vs. defendants) too much to very privileged side in the process. I think that the lawyer’s arguments based on the culture of the US and the enshrined rights in our Constitution are stronger than yours. My conclusion based on the players and their incentives is that any changes that emerge from a medmal reform would weaken individual rights, most likely lessen compensation, and not yield quality improvements.

There are significant differences in outcomes and costs between competing service providers in the same states under the same medmal regimes. Why not work on bringing the laggards forward yielding huge benefits instead of medmal reform yielding small and speculative benefit.

Curious JD September 13, 2005 at 9:11 am

Well, at least you’re honest. You’ve admitted that that’s a whole lot of guesses and speculation involved in your belief in health courts.

You’d think people would want more info before throwing out one of the rights we fought the Revolutionary War to preserve.

Aaron September 13, 2005 at 2:30 pm

But then, as I read our commentors, that is not the concern of the trial lawyer. If the health care system improves or deteriorates, the trial lawyer shrugs and considers that an externality.

So when you treat one patient, you expect the medical condition of all of your other patients to improve as well? And, for that matter, the medical condition of people who aren’t even under your care? Or do you shrug your shoulders and consider that an externality?

Beyond your guesses as to what a health court might involve, and what effect it might have on the system, you admit that you have no clue yourself as to what effect it would actually have. So it is quite fascinating to me that you point your finger at others.

Beyond that, you miss the point. I am perfectly happy to engage in a discussion as to how to improve the legal system. If you can come up with a system which provides a greater degree of certainty that we have achieved the right outcome, I’m all ears! If you can come up with a proposal that successfully lowers the cost of litigation, wonderful! If you can come up with a system that makes the litigation process more efficient, great! If you can propose a system that ensures fair compensation for the injured person, and minimizes undercompensation and overcompensation, excellent! (On that last point, though, the “tort reform” argument is that you can’t undercompensate a severely injured malpractice victim enough – that, after all, is what “damages caps” are intended to do.)

What you can’t do is tell me that if you shake a voodoo stick at the legal system, I should take it on faith that things will improve. (Any more than I should tell you to practice medicine by a shaking voodoo stick at your patient.) And when I question your voodoo stick rationale and ask for evidence to support your position, you should be prepared to do better than speculate.

As for the notion that the tort system should improve the practice of medicine – I don’t hear you complaining that highways aren’t safer because of litigation by accident victims. Within that sphere you seem perfectly capable of grasping the fact that the system is about compensating the victim and holding negligent drivers responsible for their conduct, not remaking the nation’s highways. If in fact you need the tort system to step in and improve medical practice, because doctors can’t get their act together and self-police, that is a sad indictment of your profession.

I recall a past discussion where you implicated the contradiction reflected in your comments above – the notion that health courts could somehow apply some form of systematic, objective measure to determine if malpractice occurred, but the objection that it is difficult and often counter-productive to dictate any objective standards for the practice of medicine. You do realize, don’t you, that you can’t have it both ways?

At the end of the day, I want the justice system to be about justice. It is true – if you injure a patient through malpractice, I want the system to hold you responsible and to give your patient fair compensation for the injury you caused. While I can hope that you would subsequently improve the quality of your practice, or that other doctors would look at the outcome and try to avoid repeating your mistakes or improve the standard of care, that is an externality to the tort system.

Hamilton December 4, 2005 at 12:27 am

Why is certainty important? Losing an arm is worth different things to different people. If you are a painter, and the doctor cuts off your “painting arm” your injury is worth a lot more than if the doctor cut off the arm of a parapelegic. Damages depend on the facts of each case. That’s why we have jurors. What doctors to propose really does sound more like a lottery. If you lose a thumb, it’s 3 grand — a toe — 5 grand.

You can’t have certainty because we are dealing with human beings. We are all different creatures and the same negligence will affect different people in different ways.

Additionally, health courts are a mere idea advanced by snobs. Doctors are peers to contsruction workers. This is not some class system. This is not India. As the Declaration of Independence reads — all men are created equal. We are peers — like it or not.

Anirban February 16, 2006 at 8:41 am

Hamilton’s idea will bear fruit only if a doctor could charge 30k for fixing a painters arm and do it probono for a paraplegic.Since it is a nation of peers and equals we cant do that.why should it matter so little when we do the job right and so much when someone fails,if the job is that important.By the way are patent holders ,bankrupts or vaccine injured are less or more peers with construction workers? Just curious.

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