Schiavo – more from Bioethics

by rcentor on March 21, 2005

Two more thoughtful entries from the Bioethics Discussion Blog – If Schiavo Why Not Jones? (1)

What the Congress and presumably the President is forgetting is who is the person who deserves the actions in the best interest. It is not the President, the Congress, the court system, political or religious groups, news media, the legal surrogate or the family. It is the patient. And what is in the patient’s best interest? It certainly is not the moral, philosophical, political or emotionally based views by any of these parties. Any self-interest by others beyond that of the patient is ethically unacceptable. The patient’s best interest is served only by following the autonomous request to stop unwanted treatment. Let’s hope that if the Schiavo case goes to the federal court system, judges there will use understanding and reason rather than the bizarre behavior of our Congress. ..

If Schiavo Why Not Jones? (2)

All political motives by the Republicans and the President are denied and only the moral, humanitarian motivations are stressed as the basis for this unusual congressional and presidential action. If that is so, there seems to be some ignorance of facts by these parties. Shouldn’t they be aware that termination of life support is going on every day in hospitals all over the country. Mostly the requests come from surrogates since the patients usually are in a mental state where they have no capacity to make medical decisions at that time. Mostly, there may be no advance directive to read. So where has the Congress and President been in these past years to “investigate every avenue before we take the life” or sign laws to “defend life”? Where will they be tomorrow and the day after to make sure that Mr. Jones, a 33 year old man unconscious with a massive cerebral hemorrhage and who has been on the respira tor for 3 months can be prevented from having his respirator life support terminated even though his wife reports that he told her that he would not want to live if he was unable to have the quality of life he had described to her?

Dr. Bernstein (the author of the Bioethics Discussion Blog) makes consistently important points as we consider this patient. We physicians work with patients and their families every day to consider end of life issues. I have ranted about the importance of these discussions often. While I understand the angst that this patient’s story causes, I wonder whether she has become a political football.

The Congress (and the President) are sliding down a very slippery slope. In trying to address a complex situation with federal intervention, they will likely invoke the Law of Unintended Consequences. I fear that the current interest in this unfortunate patient will negatively impact the humane care of many other patients (which Dr. Bernstein points out clearly).

This patient’s story is very sad. In my opinion, sadder yet is the struggle over her decision making. I cringe every time I see another story on the news stations – and quickly switch to another show. This patient should not invoke slogans, rather we should respect that everyone involved is trying to do the right thing, and that we have an emotional and ethical impasse. The public spectacle associated with this impasse should sadden us all.

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{ 7 comments… read them below or add one }

David Toub, MD, MBA March 21, 2005 at 11:37 am

I wholeheartedly agree. This is another example of the government stepping in where it doesn’t belong and playing doctor. One of the few representatives to vote against this bill (I forget her name) said it very eloquently when she stated that her constituents didn’t elect her to tell them what to believe or what do do regarding very personal decisions. And she also stated that her colleagues in the House are not trained physicians, bioethicists, etc. and have no business in this area.

What has become of medicine under this administration? I’m concerned that the doctor-patient relationship will now be an open book, where we’re second-guessed by people who don’t really know the subject matter. That also describes much of managed care, I suppose…

GasPundit March 21, 2005 at 11:53 am

I think this case has exposed some weaknesses in our dealing with end-of-life issues.

First, what happens when a surrogate (a person who makes decisions in the patients’ best interest, named by the patient, thereby differentiating from proxy, who is appointed by the court and bears the burden of proving their choice is congruent with the choice the patient would have made) presents a conflict of interest? In this case (as in many others), a possible conflict of interest is present due to a life insurance policy.

Second, who designates the proxy? How do you rank the closeness of family members? States do perform this ranking, but how commonly is this ranking accepted? And aren’t there exceptions abound?

Alban March 21, 2005 at 1:46 pm

For whom the bell tolls? It tolls for thee.

I would hate to “sadden” Mr. Medrant any further, as apparently ths Schiavo controversy has rendered him senseless with grief, but he’s way off mark.

Decisions about life and death are not private medical decisions. They involve basic societal standards–and society as a whole as a right to weigh in. After all, if this were Nazi Germany and doctors were murdering people with mental disabilities (as they did with no complaint in the 1930s and 40s (medical professionalism at its finest!)), you’d want people to protest–or would that sadden Mr. Medrant too much?

Yes, the whole spectacle is distracting, but who is suffering? We are told that Ms. Schiavo can’t feel a thing, so she’s not being saddenned. The spectacle only helps the parents–so they’re not saddenned. Mr. Schiavo–who wants so much for his wife to die–he would be saddenned.

But, that’s the whole troubling part of his case. Why does Mr. Schiavo want to see his wife die so much that he is saddened by efforts to stop him? She’s not in pain; she doesn’t have to be intubated or ventilated. That’s the saddening part . . .

rcentor March 21, 2005 at 2:47 pm

Obviously this case elicits strong feelings. I would hope that readers and commentors can work to see that opposing viewpoints could result with strong ethical underpinnings.

I find the demonization of Mr. Schiavo the most distasteful outcome of this debate. This unfortunate man is living in a situation that few can understand. I believe that he believes that he is trying to fulfill his wife’s wishes.

I know that some readers and commentors will only see their side of the issue. They deny the diagnosis and impune the motivations. These thought processes increase his suffering with public castigation.

So please try to understand that many believe he is doing the honorable thing. I lean towards supporting him, while understanding the parent’s grief.

So Alban – please refrain from ad hominem attacks on my angst. Do you have a higher ethical standard or just a different one? And who can really say what is right in these situations?

Mark Littlehale March 21, 2005 at 4:55 pm

I think that Mr. Schiavo is demonized because of his actions. This is a man who is currently living with his girlfriend and has had 2 children with her. He is a man who defies his wedding vows every day and now wants the ultimate power coming from his marriage, to determine the existence of his wife. If he does not feel bound by his wedding vows then he should have divorced her sometime ago. Her parents having always been willing to assume care of her.

Mr Schiavo seems to need to control his wife even to the point of death. His interests are in opposition to his wifes interests and he should step aside. I feel that money has also played a role in his thinking. If this man has been faithful to his wife then I would fing his motives more pure, but I think that he wants her dead for all the wrong reasons.

Steve Tuel March 21, 2005 at 10:08 pm

The website at http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html is very informative and in my opinion should raise questions that any physician would raise eyebrows at. At its core, the trial judge has ruled that Terri Schiavo should be actively starved to death, without allowing anyone to even try to feed her orally.

First, the original ruling to remove the tube was made on what Judge Greer called “clear and convincing evidence.” The judge’s ruling is very interesting since he found the statements of Michael Schiavo and his siblings to be credible, but found the statement by a friend of Terri’s to be unconvincing because she used the “wrong” tense and her memories were too specific during the trial. So the only non-family member testifying was dismissed on purely subjective grounds. How a subjective determination of who is credible in a “he said, she said” situation is “clear and convincing” is unclear to me, especially in a life and death situation.

Second, a month later (March 2000) the judge refused to allow a swallowing test to be performed. Three doctors testified, Jay E. Carpenter, MD, John David Young, MD (both for the parents) and James Barnhill, MD (for the husband; he was also the physician selected by the husband to be Terri’s ‘treating physician’). A quick Google found info only on Carpenter (Medical School at Stanford, Internship at Baylor College of Medicine, Residency at U South Florida, Board-certified in Internal Med), the other two didn’t appear except for one link to a book on pressure sores, presumably by Young. In any case, none of the docs appear to be authorities, or even on the faculty of a medical school with expertise in the disabled. The two docs testified that they examined Terri, found some evidence that she might be able to swallow (e.g., she was not drooling and thus must have been swallowing her saliva). Barnhill testified that swallowing tests had been performed 8 years earlier, and a speech pathologist had evaluated her annually from 93 to 97, and therefore, no additional testing was necessary. The judge decided that Dr. Young was not credible because he “would not concede that her treating physician would be in a better position than he to make that diagnosis.” In other words, Dr. Young was wrong because he thought the other doctor was wrong. The judge gave no reason for ignoring the testimony of Dr. Carpenter. Can you imagine how a medical student would be reamed if he/she tried to justify a treatment plan based on an 8 year old test that was contradicted by two physical exams?

The Court of Appeals, in January 2001, ruled that the trial judge had made the right decision. Interestingly, they framed it as whether Terri “would choose to continue the constant nursing care and the supporting tubes in hopes that a miracle would somehow recreate her missing brain tissue, or whether she would wish to permit a natural death process to take its course and for her family members and loved ones to be free to continue their lives.” They totally ignore the question of whether her life, as it is now, is worth living. By throwing up a straw man, “recreating her missing brain tissue”, and softening her death as ‘freeing’ her loved ones, the court reveals a bias that should cause any disabled person to pause.

In November 2002, the trial court had another hearing, with multiple experts on each side. What is interesting is that the judge determined that the only thing that would change the order to remove the feeding tube was whether or not “new treatment offers sufficient promise of increased cognitive function” that Terri could change her mind. In other words, the only thing that would be decided was whether she could be ‘cured.’ Of course the trial judge found she could not be cured.

In September 2003 the parents brought the testimony of three speech pathologists to request that Terri undergo additional eight weeks of therapy. The ruling says that the “3 speech professionals clearly demonstrate that they disagree with the previous rulings of this court…” and “they do not believe that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state. Therefore, any conclusion that they have reached is fatally flawed.” In other words, they disagree with the court, therefore they are wrong. The judge also rules that the earlier request to “have Terri Schiavo ‘undergo a swallowing test to determine if she can orally consume nutrition and hydration without a feeding tube” is “precisely the same request which is currently before the court.” So he believes a test is the same thing as 8 weeks of therapy, and substitutes his judgment over that of three trained medical professionals.

Finally, on March 8, Judge Greer denied the parents petition to feed Terri by mouth claiming it is an ‘experimental procedure.’ So despite the fact that the most recent swallowing study is now 13 years ago, several medical professionals of various training have testified that she may be able to swallow and that a study and therapy should be performed, the judge has ruled that Terri should be starved to death without even trying a ‘natural’ means of feeding. As a physician, I shudder at the implications of this path.

In my experience with brain injured patients who have swallowing problems, in most cases the tube is placed for the convenience of the caregivers. A person generates a couple of liters of saliva a day, and if they don’t drool and can swallow the saliva, they can usually also swallow similar amounts of feeding solution. It just takes time, many hours, which is not feasible in most care situations. In all likelihood Terri could swallow enough to remain hydrated and perhaps even fed, but it would take many hours of patient, slow feeding. The tube may be nothing more than a convenience, like an electric bed, diapers, etc. that make caregivers’ jobs easier. What is most disturbing is that the court has actively prevented any evaluation of this possibility.

Stef March 22, 2005 at 3:12 am

The demonization of Mr. Schiavo is unfortunate and misplaced. It underscores how easy it is for external discussants to be sucked into making moral judgments about the personalities involved and drawn away from the larger principles concerning how we as a society arrange the situations where these decisions are made (at bedside, in ethics committees and, until now, in state court), recognizing that the details are always going to be difficult, messy, and imprecise.

For doctors like me, this case creates a new set of problematic considerations. When we have a patient who is unable to indicate his or her wishes, we begin with the principle of trying to sort out “what the patient would have wanted.” We instruct family members (who often do agree) to think in such terms. In principle they are not supposed to consider what they (the family members) personally want but what the patient would want. We certainly do not direct them to “keep Grandma alive at all costs, particularly if your cousin is politically connected to Focus on the Family and might object through the offices of Senator Frist and Representative DeLay.” What a horrible world for health care if we now need to do a “political connectedness” assessment in addition to the medical, family and social history that we already consider so instrumental to care.

Future discussions between physicians and families of dying patients may carry a new burden. The burden is that of Congress judging that a decision to terminate life-sustaining treatment is open for Congressional intervention, for one patient now, for others (perhaps) in the future. Up until now, I have guided families to consider this question simply in terms of “what patient X would have wanted.” Now it seems like we have to add (in parentheses, I guess), “but realize that if we estimate the patient would want termination of care, any disgruntled family member may find external support to intervene in both state and federal court or…” At this point we don’t even know how far the intervention chain will travel, ie since Congress has already broken precedent to transfer the Schiavo case into federal court for de novo review, one can’t really tell where it would stop. Of course, technically, Congress has only intervened in one particular case. But is that the end of the story? If G-d picks one cherry off a tree, does that mean she’ll pick no others?

Unchecked, the recent Congressional action could seem to create a new dynamic element in the discussion between doctors and the families of patients unable to communicate their wishes.

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