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	<title>Comments on: An interesting free market perspective on obesity</title>
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	<description>Internal medicine, American health care, and especially medical education</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2133/comment-page-1#comment-4854</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One is loathe to think that an insurance company could not have charged a higher premium to Jim Fixx, the overweight couch potato, than it could have charged to Jim Fixx, fitness guru, who dropped dead of a heart attack at the peak of his physical fitness....

C&#039;mon. The primary reason for breaking groups into subgroups, for insurance companies, is to extort a higher overall premium. Where is there *any* evidence that the cost of health insurance inspires healthier consumer lifestyle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One is loathe to think that an insurance company could not have charged a higher premium to Jim Fixx, the overweight couch potato, than it could have charged to Jim Fixx, fitness guru, who dropped dead of a heart attack at the peak of his physical fitness&#8230;.</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon. The primary reason for breaking groups into subgroups, for insurance companies, is to extort a higher overall premium. Where is there *any* evidence that the cost of health insurance inspires healthier consumer lifestyle?</p>
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		<title>By: swift</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2133/comment-page-1#comment-4827</link>
		<dc:creator>swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you hear this?

Starting next spring, Blue Cross/Blue Shield of North Carolina will offer some of the most extensive coverage for obesity treatment in the nation. The insurer is betting that the cost of helping people slim down will be lower than that of treating obesity-related diseases. NPR&#039;s Patricia Neighmond reports. 

http://www.npr.org/rundowns/segment.php?wfId=4120015</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you hear this?</p>
<p>Starting next spring, Blue Cross/Blue Shield of North Carolina will offer some of the most extensive coverage for obesity treatment in the nation. The insurer is betting that the cost of helping people slim down will be lower than that of treating obesity-related diseases. NPR&#8217;s Patricia Neighmond reports. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/rundowns/segment.php?wfId=4120015" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/rundowns/segment.php?wfId=4120015</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2133/comment-page-1#comment-4819</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big cost to insurance companies comes from patients with cronic illneses that require constant care. It&#039;s these patients that will catch it in the neck from your proposed reform, not your slovenly lardbucket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big cost to insurance companies comes from patients with cronic illneses that require constant care. It&#8217;s these patients that will catch it in the neck from your proposed reform, not your slovenly lardbucket.</p>
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		<title>By: Anona Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2133/comment-page-1#comment-4818</link>
		<dc:creator>Anona Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and what about the economics?

On the credit side: Higher premiums will be an incentive to move some fraction of the target demographic to better health.

On the debit side: Some fraction will remain unhealthy. Many (most?) will (1) lose coverage and become less healthy, thus depriving society of their labor, and/or (2) maintain health using &quot;free&quot; emergency medicine, which is a huge cost to society.

Given that obesity and poor health themselves are not sufficiently strong incentives to become healthier, why do you think higher premiums are uniquely superior as an incentive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and what about the economics?</p>
<p>On the credit side: Higher premiums will be an incentive to move some fraction of the target demographic to better health.</p>
<p>On the debit side: Some fraction will remain unhealthy. Many (most?) will (1) lose coverage and become less healthy, thus depriving society of their labor, and/or (2) maintain health using &#8220;free&#8221; emergency medicine, which is a huge cost to society.</p>
<p>Given that obesity and poor health themselves are not sufficiently strong incentives to become healthier, why do you think higher premiums are uniquely superior as an incentive?</p>
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		<title>By: Anona Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2133/comment-page-1#comment-4817</link>
		<dc:creator>Anona Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please tell me how you intend to distinguish between these people:

1. The slovenly, small-framed person with a high basal metabolic rate. (It is quite possible to be &quot;normal&quot; weight and have metabolic syndrome.)

2. The heavy and large-framed person who exercises and eats well.

3. The person who has an inborn abnormal drive to eat. These folks are rare but do exist.

4. The person whose ancestors were evolutionarily adapted to famine and therefore store fat like it&#039;s going out of style. (Notably certain African subraces.)

5. The person who exercises and has a &quot;normal&quot; body fat percentage, but chooses very unnutritious foods.

6. The Standard American Couch Potato.

7. The poor overworked bastard who is slowly committing suicide-by-swivel-chair to provide essential services to you.

Objectively measuring health is not straightforward, and that poor health might be correlated with moral failure would not justify blanket punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please tell me how you intend to distinguish between these people:</p>
<p>1. The slovenly, small-framed person with a high basal metabolic rate. (It is quite possible to be &#8220;normal&#8221; weight and have metabolic syndrome.)</p>
<p>2. The heavy and large-framed person who exercises and eats well.</p>
<p>3. The person who has an inborn abnormal drive to eat. These folks are rare but do exist.</p>
<p>4. The person whose ancestors were evolutionarily adapted to famine and therefore store fat like it&#8217;s going out of style. (Notably certain African subraces.)</p>
<p>5. The person who exercises and has a &#8220;normal&#8221; body fat percentage, but chooses very unnutritious foods.</p>
<p>6. The Standard American Couch Potato.</p>
<p>7. The poor overworked bastard who is slowly committing suicide-by-swivel-chair to provide essential services to you.</p>
<p>Objectively measuring health is not straightforward, and that poor health might be correlated with moral failure would not justify blanket punishment.</p>
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