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		<title>By: Medical Malpractice And Product Liability</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2131/comment-page-1#comment-517817</link>
		<dc:creator>Medical Malpractice And Product Liability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 07:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Role of a Medical Malpractice Attorney...&lt;/strong&gt;

When a client files a claim for malpractice, it is the medical malpractice attorney&#039;s job to secure him or her damages for the pain and suffering which resulted from a doctor&#039;s negligence. In cases of death, the attorney attempts to college damages f...</description>
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<p>When a client files a claim for malpractice, it is the medical malpractice attorney&#8217;s job to secure him or her damages for the pain and suffering which resulted from a doctor&#8217;s negligence. In cases of death, the attorney attempts to college damages f&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2131/comment-page-1#comment-4856</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overlawyered is, of course, a thinly veiled propaganda site for the insurance lobby. You go there to find &quot;ammunition&quot;, no matter how weak, for the evils of lawyers and litigation. You don&#039;t go there in search of truth. But you probably already know that.

So &quot;overlawyered&quot; tells us about problems associated with the pertussis vaccine (which, last I checked, is readily available), and we are supposed to conclude that somehow lawyers are responsible for the shortage of the flu vaccine? How stupid and flawed is *that* reasoning.

Anybody who is even slightly informed on the issues knows that the primary reason for a flu vaccine shortage is the combination of a screw-up by a major manufacturer, and the low profit margin associated with vaccine production. Make the flu vaccine as profitable as, say, Viagra (or Vioxx, assuming they can successfully suppress negative health information), and pharmaceutical companies will be lining up to start production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overlawyered is, of course, a thinly veiled propaganda site for the insurance lobby. You go there to find &#8220;ammunition&#8221;, no matter how weak, for the evils of lawyers and litigation. You don&#8217;t go there in search of truth. But you probably already know that.</p>
<p>So &#8220;overlawyered&#8221; tells us about problems associated with the pertussis vaccine (which, last I checked, is readily available), and we are supposed to conclude that somehow lawyers are responsible for the shortage of the flu vaccine? How stupid and flawed is *that* reasoning.</p>
<p>Anybody who is even slightly informed on the issues knows that the primary reason for a flu vaccine shortage is the combination of a screw-up by a major manufacturer, and the low profit margin associated with vaccine production. Make the flu vaccine as profitable as, say, Viagra (or Vioxx, assuming they can successfully suppress negative health information), and pharmaceutical companies will be lining up to start production.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2131/comment-page-1#comment-4826</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bar is set quite high for lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers and the number of suits has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/Image1.jpg&quot;&gt;fallen drastically&lt;/a&gt;. since the law was channged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bar is set quite high for lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers and the number of suits has <a href="http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/Image1.jpg">fallen drastically</a>. since the law was channged.</p>
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		<title>By: arf</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2131/comment-page-1#comment-4824</link>
		<dc:creator>arf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see you&#039;ve gone from &quot;immunity&quot; to &quot;severely restricted&quot;.

Aware of the code, Bernie. You were trying to imply that it is impossible to sue vaccine manufacturers. It is quite possible, and the law firms found in a search seem to be quite proud of their success when they get around NVICP.

Got to agree, though, the tort bar is not the ONLY reason the vaccine industry has been driven from our shores, but it is one of many factors.

A commodity business, low reimbursement from Medicare, inherent business risk (don&#039;t sell the vaccine this year, you throw it out). The technology is supposed to change, or so I understand, so no one wants to invest in soon-to-be-obsolete plants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see you&#8217;ve gone from &#8220;immunity&#8221; to &#8220;severely restricted&#8221;.</p>
<p>Aware of the code, Bernie. You were trying to imply that it is impossible to sue vaccine manufacturers. It is quite possible, and the law firms found in a search seem to be quite proud of their success when they get around NVICP.</p>
<p>Got to agree, though, the tort bar is not the ONLY reason the vaccine industry has been driven from our shores, but it is one of many factors.</p>
<p>A commodity business, low reimbursement from Medicare, inherent business risk (don&#8217;t sell the vaccine this year, you throw it out). The technology is supposed to change, or so I understand, so no one wants to invest in soon-to-be-obsolete plants.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2131/comment-page-1#comment-4820</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tell us again about the immunity that the manufacturers enjoy?&lt;/i&gt;

The right to bring suit is significantly restricted under the law.  The relevant sections of the code are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.attorneyaccess.net/Old/300aa-22.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.attorneyaccess.net/Old/300aa-23.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;Bernie, VCIP does not apply to flu vaccines, AFAIK&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re right, my post was a quick reaction to the case cited in the Weekly Standard and mentioned on Overlawyered. Pertussis is covered by the VCIP and the case is of no relevance to the flu vaccine shortage.

Flu vaccine is in short supply because one of the two manufacturers was shut down because of a bacterial contamination problem. There&#039;s no need to look further to lawsuits for an explanation. Manufacture is limited to two companies because of the general consolidation of the drug industry. You simply can&#039;t credibly blame every problem in medicine on malpractice lawsuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Tell us again about the immunity that the manufacturers enjoy?</i></p>
<p>The right to bring suit is significantly restricted under the law.  The relevant sections of the code are <a href="http://www.attorneyaccess.net/Old/300aa-22.html">here</a> and <a href="http://www.attorneyaccess.net/Old/300aa-23.html">here</a>.</p>
<p><i>Bernie, VCIP does not apply to flu vaccines, AFAIK</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, my post was a quick reaction to the case cited in the Weekly Standard and mentioned on Overlawyered. Pertussis is covered by the VCIP and the case is of no relevance to the flu vaccine shortage.</p>
<p>Flu vaccine is in short supply because one of the two manufacturers was shut down because of a bacterial contamination problem. There&#8217;s no need to look further to lawsuits for an explanation. Manufacture is limited to two companies because of the general consolidation of the drug industry. You simply can&#8217;t credibly blame every problem in medicine on malpractice lawsuits.</p>
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		<title>By: qetzal</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2131/comment-page-1#comment-4816</link>
		<dc:creator>qetzal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie, VCIP does not apply to flu vaccines, AFAIK. This is copied from your link:

&quot;Vaccines covered under the program include those that protect against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), measles, mumps, rubella (German measles), and polio. The program continues to evolve consistent with medical science, and recently, HHS expanded coverage to four new vaccines: hepatitis B, varicella (chicken pox), Hemophilus influenzae type b, and rotavirus; pneumococcal vaccine will soon be covered, too.&quot;

Note that Hemophilus influenzae type B is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the same as influenza virus.

So VCIP certainly seems relevant to the overall discussion of vaccines and legal liability, but seems not to apply in the specific case of influenza vaccine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie, VCIP does not apply to flu vaccines, AFAIK. This is copied from your link:</p>
<p>&#8220;Vaccines covered under the program include those that protect against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), measles, mumps, rubella (German measles), and polio. The program continues to evolve consistent with medical science, and recently, HHS expanded coverage to four new vaccines: hepatitis B, varicella (chicken pox), Hemophilus influenzae type b, and rotavirus; pneumococcal vaccine will soon be covered, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>Note that Hemophilus influenzae type B is <i>not</i> the same as influenza virus.</p>
<p>So VCIP certainly seems relevant to the overall discussion of vaccines and legal liability, but seems not to apply in the specific case of influenza vaccine.</p>
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		<title>By: Procare</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2131/comment-page-1#comment-4815</link>
		<dc:creator>Procare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Getting Sick of the Flu&lt;/strong&gt;
Are you sweating and nervous?  Feeling weak and powerless?  Are you nauseous?

It might be a virus.  But maybe you’re just exhausted trying to find a flu shot.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Getting Sick of the Flu</strong><br />
Are you sweating and nervous?  Feeling weak and powerless?  Are you nauseous?</p>
<p>It might be a virus.  But maybe you’re just exhausted trying to find a flu shot.</p>
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		<title>By: arf</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2131/comment-page-1#comment-4811</link>
		<dc:creator>arf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the many hits was this one:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/2003/April/09/BillToNullify9.htm

Describing some of the cases that skirt out of the NVICP.

Also of interest was a proposal to increase the cap on pain and suffering under NVICP from $250K to $350K.

What a concept. A cap on pain and suffering.

Oh, of course. This is a government program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the many hits was this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/2003/April/09/BillToNullify9.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/2003/April/09/BillToNullify9.htm</a></p>
<p>Describing some of the cases that skirt out of the NVICP.</p>
<p>Also of interest was a proposal to increase the cap on pain and suffering under NVICP from $250K to $350K.</p>
<p>What a concept. A cap on pain and suffering.</p>
<p>Oh, of course. This is a government program.</p>
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		<title>By: arf</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2131/comment-page-1#comment-4810</link>
		<dc:creator>arf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.

Bernie, why don&#039;t you Google the words &quot;vaccine&quot; and &quot;lawsuit&quot;.....or similar terms......look at the hits you get...look at the cases that are OUTSIDE the NVICP.

Tell us again about the immunity that the manufacturers enjoy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Bernie, why don&#8217;t you Google the words &#8220;vaccine&#8221; and &#8220;lawsuit&#8221;&#8230;..or similar terms&#8230;&#8230;look at the hits you get&#8230;look at the cases that are OUTSIDE the NVICP.</p>
<p>Tell us again about the immunity that the manufacturers enjoy?</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh. Didn&#039;t you know that vaccine manufacturers have had immunity from lawsuit in America since 1988?  That&#039;s when the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usdoj.gov/civil/torts/const/vicp/about.htm&quot;&gt;National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program&lt;/a&gt; was instituted. 

&lt;i&gt;Over the past 12 years, the VICP has succeeded in providing a less adversarial, less expensive and less time-consuming system of recovery than the traditional tort system that governs medical malpractice, personal injury and product liability cases. More than 1,500 people have been paid in excess of $1.18 billion since the inception of the program in 1988.&lt;/i&gt;

Sounds like the sort of program you want to replace malpractice in general.  Just goes to show that high prices, low availability, and other ills have their origin somewhere else than malpractice torts.

And Overlawyered is full of ,,, something other than lawyers. Why else would they reach back to 1980 for evidence of a contemporary problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh. Didn&#8217;t you know that vaccine manufacturers have had immunity from lawsuit in America since 1988?  That&#8217;s when the <a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/civil/torts/const/vicp/about.htm">National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program</a> was instituted. </p>
<p><i>Over the past 12 years, the VICP has succeeded in providing a less adversarial, less expensive and less time-consuming system of recovery than the traditional tort system that governs medical malpractice, personal injury and product liability cases. More than 1,500 people have been paid in excess of $1.18 billion since the inception of the program in 1988.</i></p>
<p>Sounds like the sort of program you want to replace malpractice in general.  Just goes to show that high prices, low availability, and other ills have their origin somewhere else than malpractice torts.</p>
<p>And Overlawyered is full of ,,, something other than lawyers. Why else would they reach back to 1980 for evidence of a contemporary problem?</p>
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