The drinking age

by rcentor on September 18, 2004

I last blogged on this issue last year – Common sense on the drinking age. Instapundit led me to this link – Underage Drinking. And MADD-Bashing. – which links to this excellent NY Times piece – What Your College President Didn’t Tell You

To lawmakers: the 21-year-old drinking age is bad social policy and terrible law. It is astonishing that college students have thus far acquiesced in so egregious an abridgment of the age of majority. Unfortunately, this acquiescence has taken the form of binge drinking. Campuses have become, depending on the enthusiasm of local law enforcement, either arms of the law or havens from the law.

Neither state is desirable. State legislators, many of whom will admit the law is bad, are held hostage by the denial of federal highway funds if they reduce the drinking age. Our latter-day prohibitionists have driven drinking behind closed doors and underground. This is the hard lesson of prohibition that each generation must relearn. No college president will say that drinking has become less of a problem in the years since the age was raised. Would we expect a student who has been denied access to oil paint to graduate with an ability to paint a portrait in oil? Colleges should be given the chance to educate students, who in all other respects are adults, in the appropriate use of alcohol, within campus boundaries and out in the open.

And please – hold your fire about drunken driving. I am a charter member of Presidents Against Drunk Driving. This has nothing to do with drunken driving. If it did, we’d raise the driving age to 21. That would surely solve the problem.

Go back and read my thoughts from last year – they have not changed. Go read the Agitator’s take on this issue.

I made a deal with my children when they were in high school. If they ever needed to call me because they lacked a designated driver, I would pick them up and pay them $10. They both drank (they now tell me), but always had a designated driver.

Prohibition never works. It fails for alcohol and it fails for drugs (search for my drug law posts). Stop this madness. Repeal stupid laws.

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{ 10 comments… read them below or add one }

Dan September 19, 2004 at 11:42 am

My kids are 17 and 18, and I could not agree with you more.

John September 19, 2004 at 1:42 pm

Couldn’t agree with you more! I’ve a 19-y/o son, who went to boarding school in the UK, where the drinking age for beer is 16. His school even had an on-site pub, where limits of one pint/day were imposed. Weekends, into town, of course, there were no limits.

Now, as a sophomore in an American university, he can’t legally drink. But, being at a university, he most certainly is drinking. At jeopardy.

At risk is his driver’s license, which can be pulled for any amount of blood alcohol. He’s also at risk of arrest for underage drinking. I don’t worry about binge-drinking because he really does know better.

The current laws create other problems, perhaps not quite as serious. He can’t have a party–with the anticipation of any of his age-group guests–without alcohol. But parents are criminally liable if alcohol is available to underagers. Do parents want the legal–or financial–risk?

So the choice seems to be, restrict our son’s social life, or risk being jailed/sued. That’s a fun choice.

Kids, as always, will find a way. Most of my son’s peers carry very good looking fake ID. That provides adequate cover for local bars, I’m sure. But it presents very major legal questions in the event of something going wrong.

Perhaps gov’t could give a choice: an under-21 drinking license or an under-21 driver’s license, but not both.

But you’re absolutely right: prohibition never works.

Matthew Holt September 20, 2004 at 1:11 pm

Rational people can disagree on policies, but these underage drinking laws — like the illegal drug laws — are promoted and supported by predominantly religious absolutists who believe that they know better because it was written in some book 2000 years ago. We can assume that education will solve the problem, but with the huge growth of evangelical christianty here and fundamnetalist Islam abroad, more — rather than fewer –of these irrational policies are likely in the future.

Aaron September 20, 2004 at 5:09 pm

Yes, terrible social policy. Worse, the new policy of attaching driver’s license sanctions to non-driving conduct, particularly by teens, such as a “minor in possession” ticket from underaged drinking.

At the same time, some of Europe’s nations which have arguably more progressive societal and legislative attitudes toward youth drinking also rates of problem drinking (e.g., binge drinking) which exceed those of the U.S. – so it’s not necessarily legislative hypocrisy or short-sightedness which drives similar problem behaviors here. And, from a road safety standpoint, it is “safer” in a typical European nation to be tolerant of youth drinking, where a teen is more likely to stagger home from a pub than to drive home from a bar.

Aporkalypse September 23, 2004 at 11:52 pm

Honestly, the irony of being able to vote or to serve or be drafted in the military but not to be able to drink is incredible. However, we’re stuck with it. Nobody would go against PC these days to take the opposite approach.

Jared September 27, 2004 at 7:47 am

Heh, I just got back from spending 2 weeks of active-duty training with a myriad of ages of Army enlisted folk. All E-4 and E-5s. Ages ranged from 19 to 32 that I had close contact with. The interesting part to me was my responsible-ish drinking (I’m 27) was more stigmatized and ostracized than the had I not been drinking at all. There are deep societal structures holding our drinking together at young ages.

Jessica December 5, 2004 at 8:33 pm

What do you think of being in the military being able to drink under 21 with discipline and dying for their country.

craig September 23, 2005 at 7:47 am

i am 16 and i love to drink.. i drink every weekend with freinds.. people say its bad.. notin my book i act more resposible than most leagle drinkers… i think the leagle age in the U.S should be lowerd at least to 18.. because if your old enough to die for your country you should be allowed to have a beer.. i mean isnt 18 and adult? with freedom? well not with this law you dont have freedom.. but yet you can buy ciggeretts that kill more people than drinking does… thats all i wanted to say..

RiP – Matt M. us soilder died befor he got his first leagle drink of alchole he dies at age 19…

Alicia December 5, 2005 at 11:21 am

All I can say is this:

If you are old enough to enlist in the army,
give up your right’s to your own life,
and have the right to take the lives of innocent people…
The you sure as hell have the right to have a beer.
How many of those soldiers don’t even get to enjoy the “legal drinking age” because they are killed?
If they are old enough to die for us, then they are god damn old enough to have a drink or two.

Emily Farnon May 2, 2006 at 3:54 pm

This comment is in regard to Mr. Holt’s. We were all made with free choice, and the ability to see the consequences of whatever we chose. The “religious absolutists” you speak of even have it wrong in their own foundational reasoning. The biblical instruction is that an individual is able to serve in the army and be considered fully an adult both at the age of 20. If they read their own “instruction manual” fully beggining to end they would see this fact. This is how it should be, the same standard for all gauges of responsibility and adulthood.

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