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		<title>By: kmh</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2010/comment-page-1#comment-4160</link>
		<dc:creator>kmh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the numbers of primary care doc&#039;s dwindle, demand is on the rise.  time for primary care doc&#039;s to dump third party payor relationships.  demand will keep primary care busy,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the numbers of primary care doc&#8217;s dwindle, demand is on the rise.  time for primary care doc&#8217;s to dump third party payor relationships.  demand will keep primary care busy,</p>
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		<title>By: CHenry</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2010/comment-page-1#comment-4157</link>
		<dc:creator>CHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about the money, and it should be.

In real dollars, primary care and doctors generally have seen substantial drops in personal incomes.  Practice overhead has tripled in many specialties while total practice income has remained flat or fallen.

120-140K seems like a lot to some readers.  Compared to teachers and other essential public employees, it might seem excessive.  But no other professions expect practitioners to take on $250 K of educational debt, and forgo ten years of gainful employment and savings.  And unless you work for the VA, there is no defined-benefit pension plan.  If you ever want to retire, that is your dime.  So are a lot of other expenses that most employed people expect to have paid for by an employer.  So when you are starting to earn &quot;doctor&#039;s incomes&quot;, you are already in a catch-up game.  And if you want to do anything crazy, say like have a family or buy a house, big debt and late starts just add to that pressure.  A rise in practice overhead--like a hike in malpractice premiums, or a drop in reimbursement rates, or practice employees demanding a pay raise, all that goes against that doctor&#039;s income.

Hand-wringing won&#039;t solve this problem.  Neither will EMRs and other expensive data processing mechanisms that will profit computer harrdware and software industries long before the benefits--if in fact there will be net benefits--are realized by the medical practices.

What medical practices need is to be able to raise their prices whenever their costs of service increase, just like any other business.  Sure, patients don&#039;t like it.  I don&#039;t like paying $2.20
a gallon for gasoline whenever I need a fill, but I have to do that anyway.  And I don&#039;t like paying higher practice operating expenses, but there is only so much economizing that can be done before the operations themselves suffer.

Private practice medicine is a profession, and it is a small business.
We have to discipline ourselves to treat it that way.  That means refusing abusive insurance plans and demanding that patients responsibly participate in covering the costs of service, and not just at the levels of &quot;co-payment&quot; if that is simply not adequate.  The cost issues associated with unconstrained tort liability and other parasitic social behavior have to be seen and felt by the people with the power to make real changes on election day, no physicians, but patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about the money, and it should be.</p>
<p>In real dollars, primary care and doctors generally have seen substantial drops in personal incomes.  Practice overhead has tripled in many specialties while total practice income has remained flat or fallen.</p>
<p>120-140K seems like a lot to some readers.  Compared to teachers and other essential public employees, it might seem excessive.  But no other professions expect practitioners to take on $250 K of educational debt, and forgo ten years of gainful employment and savings.  And unless you work for the VA, there is no defined-benefit pension plan.  If you ever want to retire, that is your dime.  So are a lot of other expenses that most employed people expect to have paid for by an employer.  So when you are starting to earn &#8220;doctor&#8217;s incomes&#8221;, you are already in a catch-up game.  And if you want to do anything crazy, say like have a family or buy a house, big debt and late starts just add to that pressure.  A rise in practice overhead&#8211;like a hike in malpractice premiums, or a drop in reimbursement rates, or practice employees demanding a pay raise, all that goes against that doctor&#8217;s income.</p>
<p>Hand-wringing won&#8217;t solve this problem.  Neither will EMRs and other expensive data processing mechanisms that will profit computer harrdware and software industries long before the benefits&#8211;if in fact there will be net benefits&#8211;are realized by the medical practices.</p>
<p>What medical practices need is to be able to raise their prices whenever their costs of service increase, just like any other business.  Sure, patients don&#8217;t like it.  I don&#8217;t like paying $2.20<br />
a gallon for gasoline whenever I need a fill, but I have to do that anyway.  And I don&#8217;t like paying higher practice operating expenses, but there is only so much economizing that can be done before the operations themselves suffer.</p>
<p>Private practice medicine is a profession, and it is a small business.<br />
We have to discipline ourselves to treat it that way.  That means refusing abusive insurance plans and demanding that patients responsibly participate in covering the costs of service, and not just at the levels of &#8220;co-payment&#8221; if that is simply not adequate.  The cost issues associated with unconstrained tort liability and other parasitic social behavior have to be seen and felt by the people with the power to make real changes on election day, no physicians, but patients.</p>
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		<title>By: kmh</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2010/comment-page-1#comment-4126</link>
		<dc:creator>kmh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>salaries of primary care doc&#039;s average about 120,000-140,000  many earn below this average. many above.

primary care is dwindling, just log onto
www.aafp.org/match  and click on graph 5.  the lack of interest by medical graduates is clearly seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>salaries of primary care doc&#8217;s average about 120,000-140,000  many earn below this average. many above.</p>
<p>primary care is dwindling, just log onto<br />
<a href="http://www.aafp.org/match" rel="nofollow">http://www.aafp.org/match</a>  and click on graph 5.  the lack of interest by medical graduates is clearly seen.</p>
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		<title>By: arf</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2010/comment-page-1#comment-4104</link>
		<dc:creator>arf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds good in theory, but what hospitals do in reality is set the bar high enough that ir becomes nearly impossible for FP&#039;s to get credentials in most hospital-based procedures.

Of course there are exceptions but pushing FP&#039;s out of hospitals is becoming more the rule than the exception.

2% of FP&#039;s earn more than $400K per year? Though I won&#039;t quibble with that statistic per se, what I have to wonder.....are they really earning that money from the clinical practice of medicine? As opposed to, say, running a chain of walk-ins or similar business activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds good in theory, but what hospitals do in reality is set the bar high enough that ir becomes nearly impossible for FP&#8217;s to get credentials in most hospital-based procedures.</p>
<p>Of course there are exceptions but pushing FP&#8217;s out of hospitals is becoming more the rule than the exception.</p>
<p>2% of FP&#8217;s earn more than $400K per year? Though I won&#8217;t quibble with that statistic per se, what I have to wonder&#8230;..are they really earning that money from the clinical practice of medicine? As opposed to, say, running a chain of walk-ins or similar business activities.</p>
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		<title>By: CHenry</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2010/comment-page-1#comment-4103</link>
		<dc:creator>CHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with any credentialing for the approval to do procedures in a hospital, you need first two things: evidence that you have been trained to do the procedure and documentation that you have done the procedure enough times to be considered adequatel experienced to do them in that hospital.  Experience in residency or fellowship is what they are looking for, as well as post-training experience.  You also will likely have to show evidence of malpractice insurance coverage that will cover your practice including all OR procedures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with any credentialing for the approval to do procedures in a hospital, you need first two things: evidence that you have been trained to do the procedure and documentation that you have done the procedure enough times to be considered adequatel experienced to do them in that hospital.  Experience in residency or fellowship is what they are looking for, as well as post-training experience.  You also will likely have to show evidence of malpractice insurance coverage that will cover your practice including all OR procedures.</p>
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		<title>By: arf</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2010/comment-page-1#comment-4100</link>
		<dc:creator>arf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you get around hospital privileges? Or do you do them in-office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you get around hospital privileges? Or do you do them in-office?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Meeker</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2010/comment-page-1#comment-4098</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Meeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Primary care or family practice is not dead.  If physicians are threatened by nurse practitioners or other mid-level &quot;providers&quot;, they have too narrow of a scope of practice.  2% of family physicians earn over $400,000 per year.  What is the difference between this 2% and others who are predicting the demise of primary care?  It is futile to change the system, so work in the system given to us.  If you have a patient with cardiac symptoms, work it up.  Do the stress test yourself - don&#039;t be so quick to refer.  GERD symptoms?  Consider doing the EGD yourself.  Cancer screening?  You guessed it, do the colonoscopy yourself.  The list goes on and on.  There is a huge problem with family practice residencies - they are great at teaching residents to refer, but not so great at teaching basic procedures that belong in primary care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Primary care or family practice is not dead.  If physicians are threatened by nurse practitioners or other mid-level &#8220;providers&#8221;, they have too narrow of a scope of practice.  2% of family physicians earn over $400,000 per year.  What is the difference between this 2% and others who are predicting the demise of primary care?  It is futile to change the system, so work in the system given to us.  If you have a patient with cardiac symptoms, work it up.  Do the stress test yourself &#8211; don&#8217;t be so quick to refer.  GERD symptoms?  Consider doing the EGD yourself.  Cancer screening?  You guessed it, do the colonoscopy yourself.  The list goes on and on.  There is a huge problem with family practice residencies &#8211; they are great at teaching residents to refer, but not so great at teaching basic procedures that belong in primary care.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2010/comment-page-1#comment-4068</link>
		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s correct... the author of the article not only devalues primary care but she EMPHASIZES the importance of the SYSTEM in which primary care physicians labor under. 

 WE AS PHYSICIANS not only devalue our profession by subjugating ourselves to third party payors but also it seems subjugate our patients.

we have sold our professionalism to the concept of managed (mangled) care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s correct&#8230; the author of the article not only devalues primary care but she EMPHASIZES the importance of the SYSTEM in which primary care physicians labor under. </p>
<p> WE AS PHYSICIANS not only devalue our profession by subjugating ourselves to third party payors but also it seems subjugate our patients.</p>
<p>we have sold our professionalism to the concept of managed (mangled) care.</p>
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		<title>By: arf</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2010/comment-page-1#comment-4067</link>
		<dc:creator>arf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A cash-based practice does not decrease access to primary care. It INCREASES access. Now hey, if you are truly impoverished, that&#039;s what Medicaid is for. 

For the rest, those who have disposable income for a better car or vacations and all that, if you don&#039;t feel primary care is worth paying for, you get what you deserve.

The cash-based practices I&#039;m familiar with provide primary care for the farmers, the fishermen, the beauticians, the self-employed. Going cash-based REDUCES cost and reduces fees. The working-class people who attend such clinics do not have Medicaid, do not yet have Medicare, and do not have private insurance. They are ignored by the current system.

Such practices are NOT concierge practices with the annual fee and all that. Those opposed to the concept of consumer-directed health care deliberately confuse the two.

The physician author of the article could have continued to see her first choice of doctor, if she had simply paid him on an out-of-network basis. She would have retained coverage for testing, hospitalization, specialty care, etc. For maybe ten-twenty bucks more a visit with the higher copay, she could have stayed with her first choice of doctor.

I have working-class patients who choose to continue to see me on an out-of-network basis when their insurance changes. If the plumber and teacher&#039;s aide can do it, the physician could have done it.

Problem is, SHE is the one who does not value primary care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A cash-based practice does not decrease access to primary care. It INCREASES access. Now hey, if you are truly impoverished, that&#8217;s what Medicaid is for. </p>
<p>For the rest, those who have disposable income for a better car or vacations and all that, if you don&#8217;t feel primary care is worth paying for, you get what you deserve.</p>
<p>The cash-based practices I&#8217;m familiar with provide primary care for the farmers, the fishermen, the beauticians, the self-employed. Going cash-based REDUCES cost and reduces fees. The working-class people who attend such clinics do not have Medicaid, do not yet have Medicare, and do not have private insurance. They are ignored by the current system.</p>
<p>Such practices are NOT concierge practices with the annual fee and all that. Those opposed to the concept of consumer-directed health care deliberately confuse the two.</p>
<p>The physician author of the article could have continued to see her first choice of doctor, if she had simply paid him on an out-of-network basis. She would have retained coverage for testing, hospitalization, specialty care, etc. For maybe ten-twenty bucks more a visit with the higher copay, she could have stayed with her first choice of doctor.</p>
<p>I have working-class patients who choose to continue to see me on an out-of-network basis when their insurance changes. If the plumber and teacher&#8217;s aide can do it, the physician could have done it.</p>
<p>Problem is, SHE is the one who does not value primary care.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/2010/comment-page-1#comment-4065</link>
		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the last paragraph by RGL re-iterates a plee for government to perform &quot;actions&quot; on the behalf of primary care physicians.

how many more years should primary care physcicians wait?
to whom else should we &quot;plead&quot; our cause?

ENOUGH CRAP.

while physicians plea year after year...Nurse practioners, clinical psychologists, pharmacists, optometrists are providing care .

the only way to maintain one&#039;s profesional integrity in a SYSTEM that devalues primary care...is to walk away from the system.  Integrity, professionalism are lost on every encounter where the physician is forced to be extremely busy in order to make the finances work.     

hey ..if you accept working in Burger King like conditions, your clinical work is just about as valuable.

enough begging</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the last paragraph by RGL re-iterates a plee for government to perform &#8220;actions&#8221; on the behalf of primary care physicians.</p>
<p>how many more years should primary care physcicians wait?<br />
to whom else should we &#8220;plead&#8221; our cause?</p>
<p>ENOUGH CRAP.</p>
<p>while physicians plea year after year&#8230;Nurse practioners, clinical psychologists, pharmacists, optometrists are providing care .</p>
<p>the only way to maintain one&#8217;s profesional integrity in a SYSTEM that devalues primary care&#8230;is to walk away from the system.  Integrity, professionalism are lost on every encounter where the physician is forced to be extremely busy in order to make the finances work.     </p>
<p>hey ..if you accept working in Burger King like conditions, your clinical work is just about as valuable.</p>
<p>enough begging</p>
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