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		<title>By: Anna Farbitratorres</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1990/comment-page-1#comment-545179</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Farbitratorres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 04:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In malpractice, we can seek the help of an arbitrator. Each party is allowed to take the floor and present the disagreement in their own words and from their own perspective. The other party must sit and listen quietly without interrupting the others presentation. At this point everyone is encouraged, not only to define the problem but also, to present possible solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In malpractice, we can seek the help of an arbitrator. Each party is allowed to take the floor and present the disagreement in their own words and from their own perspective. The other party must sit and listen quietly without interrupting the others presentation. At this point everyone is encouraged, not only to define the problem but also, to present possible solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Spetka</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1990/comment-page-1#comment-230638</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Spetka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comment from Mrs. Packard. HIPPA regulations prevent me from giving the medical facts but suffice it to say the Packards filed a suit which was dropped without any discovery or ever going to trial. I just read this today(17 July 2006) and will be consulting my attorneys regarding the libelous comments. I do have the financial wherewithal to pursue this aggressively and will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comment from Mrs. Packard. HIPPA regulations prevent me from giving the medical facts but suffice it to say the Packards filed a suit which was dropped without any discovery or ever going to trial. I just read this today(17 July 2006) and will be consulting my attorneys regarding the libelous comments. I do have the financial wherewithal to pursue this aggressively and will.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica Packard</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1990/comment-page-1#comment-23542</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronica Packard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the doctors who abandon their patients and leave them to die in pain (Level 9-10), when they screwed up surgery (Dr.Lawrence Spetka- Toldedo Clinic in Ohio).  My husband kept telling him something was wrong , I kept asking for another MRI- he said it was not necessary.  If he had done the new MRI he would have been able to go in and fix the mess he made of my husbands back ,but know he thinks he does not need to listen to patients!  He knew my husband was in pain just by the pain meds he prescribed but are not in his certifed records we have, but they are on the pharmacy print out. So my point is if you don&#039;t police your own and get rid of the incompetant one who do nothing but make money the the HMO. You deserve what you get with high malpractice premiums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the doctors who abandon their patients and leave them to die in pain (Level 9-10), when they screwed up surgery (Dr.Lawrence Spetka- Toldedo Clinic in Ohio).  My husband kept telling him something was wrong , I kept asking for another MRI- he said it was not necessary.  If he had done the new MRI he would have been able to go in and fix the mess he made of my husbands back ,but know he thinks he does not need to listen to patients!  He knew my husband was in pain just by the pain meds he prescribed but are not in his certifed records we have, but they are on the pharmacy print out. So my point is if you don&#8217;t police your own and get rid of the incompetant one who do nothing but make money the the HMO. You deserve what you get with high malpractice premiums.</p>
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		<title>By: jb</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1990/comment-page-1#comment-3997</link>
		<dc:creator>jb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the officers at the AMA put it like this (paraphrasing):

The day is not far off when we will have real tort reform in this country.

Unfortunately, that will be a day after a school bus crashes, and there are no doctors around to save the children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the officers at the AMA put it like this (paraphrasing):</p>
<p>The day is not far off when we will have real tort reform in this country.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, that will be a day after a school bus crashes, and there are no doctors around to save the children.</p>
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		<title>By: arf</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1990/comment-page-1#comment-3976</link>
		<dc:creator>arf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How&#039;s the trolling Bernie?

Catch anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How&#8217;s the trolling Bernie?</p>
<p>Catch anything?</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1990/comment-page-1#comment-3975</link>
		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why I think tort reform will go NOWHERE because as many as people are for tort reform, there are as many that seem to oppose. 

Thus... why not set up a new program where patients will get truly significant discounts from physicians if they join a medical care membership &quot;club&quot;, agreeing to legally binding arbitration
as a more practical and less wasteful system to the current system. 

 The main criticism I have read with arbitration agreements is that they do not hold if someone signs one in the midst of a genuine illness.  Thus a agreement would have to be signed by patient and doctor probably weeks in advance of activating the &quot;membership&quot;. 
After membership activation the patient can see any provider in the membership provider roster and can expect significant savings while receiving medical care.

this being a voluntary program would pass muster on legal grounds.  

Patients who wan&#039;t less expensive care at the risk of settling a claim with an arbitration panel can do it. 
 Patients who wan&#039;t full access to current legal remedies can stay in the same mode they are.  

  Patients who seek care with homepaths/alternative medicine providers can do so if they choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why I think tort reform will go NOWHERE because as many as people are for tort reform, there are as many that seem to oppose. </p>
<p>Thus&#8230; why not set up a new program where patients will get truly significant discounts from physicians if they join a medical care membership &#8220;club&#8221;, agreeing to legally binding arbitration<br />
as a more practical and less wasteful system to the current system. </p>
<p> The main criticism I have read with arbitration agreements is that they do not hold if someone signs one in the midst of a genuine illness.  Thus a agreement would have to be signed by patient and doctor probably weeks in advance of activating the &#8220;membership&#8221;.<br />
After membership activation the patient can see any provider in the membership provider roster and can expect significant savings while receiving medical care.</p>
<p>this being a voluntary program would pass muster on legal grounds.  </p>
<p>Patients who wan&#8217;t less expensive care at the risk of settling a claim with an arbitration panel can do it.<br />
 Patients who wan&#8217;t full access to current legal remedies can stay in the same mode they are.  </p>
<p>  Patients who seek care with homepaths/alternative medicine providers can do so if they choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1990/comment-page-1#comment-3974</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen the opinion piece in the New York Times by &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/2thnw&quot;&gt;Bob Herbert&lt;/a&gt;?

&lt;i&gt;And that is one of the essential points that is overlooked by the tort reform zealots: the problem when it comes to malpractice is not the amount of money the insurance companies are making (they&#039;re doing fine) or the rates the doctors have to pay, but rather the terrible physical and emotional damage that is done to so many unsuspecting patients who fall into the hands of careless or incompetent medical personnel. What is needed is a nationwide crackdown on malpractice, not a campaign to roll back the rights of patients who are injured. This is another utterly typical example of the Bush administration going to bat for those who are economically and politically powerful against those who are economically and politically weak.&lt;/i&gt;

My sentiments exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen the opinion piece in the New York Times by <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2thnw">Bob Herbert</a>?</p>
<p><i>And that is one of the essential points that is overlooked by the tort reform zealots: the problem when it comes to malpractice is not the amount of money the insurance companies are making (they&#8217;re doing fine) or the rates the doctors have to pay, but rather the terrible physical and emotional damage that is done to so many unsuspecting patients who fall into the hands of careless or incompetent medical personnel. What is needed is a nationwide crackdown on malpractice, not a campaign to roll back the rights of patients who are injured. This is another utterly typical example of the Bush administration going to bat for those who are economically and politically powerful against those who are economically and politically weak.</i></p>
<p>My sentiments exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: arf</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1990/comment-page-1#comment-3972</link>
		<dc:creator>arf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;arf’s describes a model that would require state and national tort reform. doubt that will occur in our lifetime.!

You won&#039;t catch me betting against you.

My only point is, the REASONS why that won&#039;t happen in our lifetime. Tell me, if I could snap my fingers and magically create a government-funded worker&#039;s comp style no-fault system for medical errors, would you object to it? As a physician, I would not necessarily have a problem with it.

The objections would be from:

1. the trial bar (where SMALL groups of lawyers would lose financially, though there would likely be more cases to shepherd through the system, for smaller fixed fees)

2. government (which would see the system explode financially) Right now, the system is financed by physicians, who pay out on one end, but fees limited on the other. With government, they would find expenses skyrocket, find they now have to pay for it, and would start ratcheting down what really constitutes a compensable error.

In other words, tort reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>arf’s describes a model that would require state and national tort reform. doubt that will occur in our lifetime.!</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t catch me betting against you.</p>
<p>My only point is, the REASONS why that won&#8217;t happen in our lifetime. Tell me, if I could snap my fingers and magically create a government-funded worker&#8217;s comp style no-fault system for medical errors, would you object to it? As a physician, I would not necessarily have a problem with it.</p>
<p>The objections would be from:</p>
<p>1. the trial bar (where SMALL groups of lawyers would lose financially, though there would likely be more cases to shepherd through the system, for smaller fixed fees)</p>
<p>2. government (which would see the system explode financially) Right now, the system is financed by physicians, who pay out on one end, but fees limited on the other. With government, they would find expenses skyrocket, find they now have to pay for it, and would start ratcheting down what really constitutes a compensable error.</p>
<p>In other words, tort reform.</p>
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		<title>By: kmh</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1990/comment-page-1#comment-3971</link>
		<dc:creator>kmh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arf&#039;s describes a model that would require state and national tort reform.  doubt that will occur in our lifetime.!

the model described by m seems plausible as it is voluntary.  the problem with it is that it would require a nationwide marketing effort by doc&#039;s and would need to offer at least a 25-35% savings in cost for provided services the patient to generate interest.  this very well might fly with those who have HSA&#039;s, have high deductibles for their before health insurance premiums kick in..or those 40 million or so folks who have no insurance.   

I&#039;m game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arf&#8217;s describes a model that would require state and national tort reform.  doubt that will occur in our lifetime.!</p>
<p>the model described by m seems plausible as it is voluntary.  the problem with it is that it would require a nationwide marketing effort by doc&#8217;s and would need to offer at least a 25-35% savings in cost for provided services the patient to generate interest.  this very well might fly with those who have HSA&#8217;s, have high deductibles for their before health insurance premiums kick in..or those 40 million or so folks who have no insurance.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m game.</p>
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		<title>By: singlepayer lesslawsuits</title>
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		<dc:creator>singlepayer lesslawsuits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the good Canadian doctors will come back to Canada.  Sad to see that American medicine boils down to lawyers and CPT codes.

For the land of the willy nilly lawsuits and the Home of the Fearful ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the good Canadian doctors will come back to Canada.  Sad to see that American medicine boils down to lawyers and CPT codes.</p>
<p>For the land of the willy nilly lawsuits and the Home of the Fearful ?</p>
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