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	<title>Comments on: On medical pimping</title>
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		<title>By: Deep Jive Interests &#187; Why I Love Blogging, Part #242: Hearing It From The Horse&#8217;s Mouth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deep Jive Interests &#187; Why I Love Blogging, Part #242: Hearing It From The Horse&#8217;s Mouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] someone who has been on the receiving end of a great deal of pimping throughout my medical training, I know what its like to blank out when someone has asked you a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carey</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1351/comment-page-1#comment-2065</link>
		<dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a medical school graduate and a current law student, I can tell you that pimping is common to both professions, and that both medical students and law students often react very strongly to it.

Why?  Because there&#039;s nothing the typical law or medical student relies on more for their self-esteem than &quot;knowing the answer&quot; and &quot;being smart.&quot;

Pimping (or &quot;the Socratic method&quot; as law students know it) will inevitably be humiliating so long as students aren&#039;t comfortable with &quot;not knowing the answer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a medical school graduate and a current law student, I can tell you that pimping is common to both professions, and that both medical students and law students often react very strongly to it.</p>
<p>Why?  Because there&#8217;s nothing the typical law or medical student relies on more for their self-esteem than &#8220;knowing the answer&#8221; and &#8220;being smart.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pimping (or &#8220;the Socratic method&#8221; as law students know it) will inevitably be humiliating so long as students aren&#8217;t comfortable with &#8220;not knowing the answer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Glorfindel of Gondolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glorfindel of Gondolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;The Socratic Method&quot; vs. &quot;Pimping&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;
On Brian Leiter&#039;s blog, there are some links to some good discussions of the &quot;Socratic method&quot; of law school teaching. All of which made me think of the pimping that goes on in medical school. Both techniques are controversial in...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;The Socratic Method&#8221; vs. &#8220;Pimping&#8221;</strong><br />
On Brian Leiter&#8217;s blog, there are some links to some good discussions of the &#8220;Socratic method&#8221; of law school teaching. All of which made me think of the pimping that goes on in medical school. Both techniques are controversial in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Reith</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1351/comment-page-1#comment-2064</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Reith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An ROTC instructor once told me that when he was a C130 Hercules check pilot, this was a normal method of deflating arrogant students.  He prided himself on the minutiae he&#039;d acquired.  One year, on his own check flight, he was asked: Captain, can you tell me the torque necessary to secure the nuts which hold on the windshield wipers on this aircraft? Well, he didn&#039;t know, and scour the manuals as he would, he couldn&#039;t find it.  He would be dammed before admitting ignorance, though, so he called the Hercules assembly plant, working his way through the staff until he was talking to a guy who actually put the wipers on the plane. When he asked his question, the guy started to laugh. &quot;Twenty years I&#039;ve been doing this job, and no one has ever asked me that question -- and now I get two in one week!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An ROTC instructor once told me that when he was a C130 Hercules check pilot, this was a normal method of deflating arrogant students.  He prided himself on the minutiae he&#8217;d acquired.  One year, on his own check flight, he was asked: Captain, can you tell me the torque necessary to secure the nuts which hold on the windshield wipers on this aircraft? Well, he didn&#8217;t know, and scour the manuals as he would, he couldn&#8217;t find it.  He would be dammed before admitting ignorance, though, so he called the Hercules assembly plant, working his way through the staff until he was talking to a guy who actually put the wipers on the plane. When he asked his question, the guy started to laugh. &#8220;Twenty years I&#8217;ve been doing this job, and no one has ever asked me that question &#8212; and now I get two in one week!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.medrants.com/archives/1351/comment-page-1#comment-2063</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2003 01:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think &quot;pimping&quot; is unique to medicine.  What you described sounds like every group meeting I attended in Grad school (chemistry).  It was occassionally irritating, but you learn a lot.  Ultimately, it made job talks much less stressful - I didn&#039;t have to worry about being interrupted there, at least.  And I don&#039;t think a friendlier (? not sure what the right word is here) atmosphere would have made anything better - the long hours, occassional bouts of self immolation and intense frustration would have been a pisser even absent &quot;pimping.&quot;

Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;pimping&#8221; is unique to medicine.  What you described sounds like every group meeting I attended in Grad school (chemistry).  It was occassionally irritating, but you learn a lot.  Ultimately, it made job talks much less stressful &#8211; I didn&#8217;t have to worry about being interrupted there, at least.  And I don&#8217;t think a friendlier (? not sure what the right word is here) atmosphere would have made anything better &#8211; the long hours, occassional bouts of self immolation and intense frustration would have been a pisser even absent &#8220;pimping.&#8221;</p>
<p>Brian</p>
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